Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread DaveH
bo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 13:20 > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode > > Hi > > The normal 10811 package has several

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Alan Melia
ject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode I didn't notice any damage, nor was there a visibly bad solder joint. However, I couldn't reproduce the excess noise with a quick bench test at 30V / 100k neither. DC-wise there are a few microvolts only. Same with the SMD diode. Exept, wh

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread David McGaw
As I mentioned, the varactor is equivalent to the Motorola MV1650. I have a bunch as well left over from building VCXOs. :-) David On 10/19/12 3:37 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Slightly off topic: the oscillator transistor has some 1854- part number, but is actually a 2N5179 selected for s

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Bob Camp
m] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: rich...@karlquist.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode I didn't notice any damage, nor was there a visibly bad solder joint. However, I couldn't reproduc

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Adrian
I didn't notice any damage, nor was there a visibly bad solder joint. However, I couldn't reproduce the excess noise with a quick bench test at 30V / 100k neither. DC-wise there are a few microvolts only. Same with the SMD diode. Exept, when the original glass diode is exposed to light. With a L

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
Slightly off topic: the oscillator transistor has some 1854- part number, but is actually a 2N5179 selected for some minimum fT at 30 mADC collector current. When the oscillator starts up, before the ALC takes effect, a fairly large DC current can flow and some 2N5179's don't have enough gain

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread DaveH
s-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rick Karlquist > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01 > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode > > I wonder if the glass case got a crack in it or

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Rick Karlquist
I wonder if the glass case got a crack in it or if the kovar seal was failing. Maybe a failed solder joint (which gets fixed when you install the new diode). I've never heard of a noisy varactor before either. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-n

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Bob Camp
Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:55 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode That's extremely interest

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Adrian
boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be quite noisy and was able to trace the problem down to the tuning diode. Actual

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread Azelio Boriani
low-ish capacitance > value. I haven't gotten around to digging into the problem any farther. > > Anyone have any more info or ideas? > > 73, > > Tom WB6UZZ > > --- On Thu, 10/18/12, John Miles wrote: > > From: John Miles > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 1

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Tom Curlee
itance value.  I haven't gotten around to digging into the problem any farther. Anyone have any more info or ideas? 73, Tom  WB6UZZ --- On Thu, 10/18/12, John Miles wrote: From: John Miles Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode To: "'Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread John Miles
cise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode > > Hello, > > I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be quite noisy and was able to trace > the problem down to the tuning diode. > Actually, the phase noise started to jump when the oven heated up. As

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Rick Karlquist
Probably unobtainium. 0122-0244 is shown as Motorola SMV315-24 or MSI Electronics SQ529. For whatever that's worth. Reminds me of a popular audio amplifier design that was in Popular Electronics using Motorola SS1122 diodes. Some special non catalog diode. Turns out Dan Myers, the designer, just

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread David McGaw
That would be a Motorola MV1650 or equivalent. You may have to select for 100pf +/- 5% @ 4V as the standard spec is 10% but it probably does not matter as the tuning ratio will be greater than the >2 spec. David On 10/18/12 3:18 PM, Adrian wrote: Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be

[time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Adrian
Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be quite noisy and was able to trace the problem down to the tuning diode. Actually, the phase noise started to jump when the oven heated up. As a quick solution, I replaced it with a SMD type that I had at hands. I would appreciate any hint where to fi