Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread jerry shirᴀr
I am attaching a file showing the schematic for the trap used in a Colpitts oscillator which will look like 58pF at 5MHz and will be inductive at 5.5MHz. So something like this can be used in place of a pair of one of the split capacitors at ~56pF loading the crystal. Jerry N9XR On Sat, Jul 18,

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are an enormous number of variations on the basic SC trap. Most of what drives one to be “best” is the component selection process. If a coil above X uh simply will not fit, time for a new circuit …. Bob On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:53 AM, jerry shirᴀr radio.n...@gmail.com wrote: I am

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread Mike Feher
- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:17 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz Hi There are an enormous number of variations on the basic SC trap. Most of what

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Good afternoon, It comes as no big surprise that ultrastable oscillators has double-isolation both on thermal and power-supply sides. Both being important environmental noise injection paths for any oscillator, moving the operating points of transistors about. Long-term systematics is

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Yes, all about experience , Ulrich In a message dated 7/19/2015 9:46:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi There are an enormous number of variations on the basic SC trap. Most of what drives one to be “best” is the component selection process. If a coil above X uh

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-19 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good morning, That is too close for my taste. For long term stability, 1 Hz and less the transistor has more influence then considered . It is a pity that this group does not address this topic.More to come. I am supervising a PhD dissertation and it became clear that that is an issue

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-18 Thread Jim Lux
-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz Hi The basic space grade crystal is in the $400 to $1000 range (depends on quantity). After they do the 10:1 sort, the resulting ones are (effectively) $4K to $10K each. The cost just goes up from there.If you count in the labor

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good morning, the AT Cut is inherently noisier then the SC cut but the SC has some spurious resonances modes. Measurements below 1 Hz are very tricky as the oscillator must be (more or less) insulated from hum, infrared (heater) . Here I am still struggling . Ulrich N1UL In a

[time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
I am working with this .. amazing device, Ulrich N1UL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread paul swed
Ulrich, Nice picture. What are you doing with the crystal? I have several older crystals that are nice but have never done anything with them. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:02 PM, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: I am working with this .. amazing device,

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread David McGaw
He doesn't mention that that crystal is used in New Horizons: http://www.bliley.com/products/crystals-precision-standard/vacuum-sealed/ Nice. I have a similar crystal from Valpey-Fischer, 5 MHz 5th overtone AT-cut (as opposed to your 3rd overtone SC-cut). I would be interested in what you

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The basic space grade crystal is in the $400 to $1000 range (depends on quantity). After they do the 10:1 sort, the resulting ones are (effectively) $4K to $10K each. The cost just goes up from there.If you count in the labor, it probably adds another 30% to the cost. If you don’t do the

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread jerry shirᴀr
Looks like an SC cut. Let me know if you have any questions about this. Jerry N9XR On Jul 17, 2015 6:35 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Ulrich, Nice picture. What are you doing with the crystal? I have several older crystals that are nice but have never done anything with them.

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-17 Thread timeok
I an curious to know the price of this crystal. Luciano On Fri 17/07/15 00:02 , KA2WEU--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: I am working with this .. amazing device, Ulrich N1UL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To