Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-26 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Only if the noise figure of the following amplifier is 4dB or so. With no extra amplification is used one only needs a signal level of +1dBm to achieve a phase noise floor of -178dBc/Hz if the output is extracted through the crystal in such a way that the thermal

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: Only if the noise figure of the following amplifier is 4dB or so. With no extra amplification is used one only needs a signal level of +1dBm to achieve a phase noise floor of -178dBc/Hz if the output is extracted through the crystal in

[time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-25 Thread Martyn Smith
Garry, Are you also saying your 100 MHz OXCO is making -178 dBc/Hz? Unless your 100 MHz OXCO is some special $10k type, there's no way your OXCO has a -178 dBc/Hz floor noise? Regards Martyn ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-25 Thread Rick Karlquist
Martyn Smith wrote: Garry, Are you also saying your 100 MHz OXCO is making -178 dBc/Hz? Unless your 100 MHz OXCO is some special $10k type, there's no way your OXCO has a -178 dBc/Hz floor noise? Regards Martyn Can you explain this further? It isn't clear to me that there is any

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-25 Thread John Miles
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise Martyn Smith wrote: Garry, Are you also saying your 100 MHz OXCO is making -178 dBc/Hz? Unless your 100 MHz OXCO is some special $10k type, there's no way your OXCO has a -178 dBc/Hz floor noise? Regards

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise Martyn Smith wrote: Garry, Are you also saying your 100 MHz OXCO is making -178 dBc/Hz? Unless your 100 MHz OXCO is some special $10k type, there's no way your OXCO has a -178 dBc/Hz floor noise? Regards Martyn Can you explain this further

Re: [time-nuts] 74AC gates phase noise

2010-02-25 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Rick Karlquist wrote: I think I could approach this noise floor by taking a 10811 and bringing the signal directly out of the grounded base buffer, and then readjusting the ALC to double or triple the crystal current. The biggest unknown is at what point the crystal sustains damage. The 10811