Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message f356n894epicao60crhh56g7itkofer...@4ax.com, David writes: The DAC1220 span and offset drift versus temperature on the other hand are 20 to 50 times worse than that of the AD5791 unless you want to spend the $30 difference in price for deglitching so you can use the AD5791

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:41:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message f356n894epicao60crhh56g7itkofer...@4ax.com, David writes: The DAC1220 span and offset drift versus temperature on the other hand are 20 to 50 times worse than that of the AD5791 unless you want to spend

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message lf47n81l7t8su75pimf6it1pfm74n3p...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:41:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp Uhm, you lost me there, autocalibration feature ? Sorry, I meant the DAC1220 manual self-calibration feature which corrects for gain and offset errors. ahh. But those are

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:20:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message lf47n81l7t8su75pimf6it1pfm74n3p...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:41:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp Uhm, you lost me there, autocalibration feature ? Sorry, I meant the DAC1220 manual

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message u6k7n815ugngmc185k08m7578v1kq8d...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:20:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp How long is the PLL time constant compared to the rate of temperature changes? Maybe I misunderstood the application. I'm working on driving the EFC input of a double-oven

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread EWKehren
What drives the EFC? Bert Kehren In a message dated 4/21/2013 7:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message u6k7n815ugngmc185k08m7578v1kq8d...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:20:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp How long is the PLL time constant

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7601e.32c7850c.3ea53...@aol.com, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: What drives the EFC? A computer implemented PLL controls the DAC which drives the EFC -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread EWKehren
the DAC1220 is definitely worth a second look. Two wire opto coupling makes it even better. On my next PCB run there will be a test circuit. Thank you for the hint. Bert Kehren In a message dated 4/19/2013 9:44:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, herb...@13thfloor.at writes: On Fri, Apr 19,

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread paul swed
Looked up the DAC1220 and thats a very nice chip for ~$8. Amazing 20 bit resolution and easy to hook up. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:00 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: the DAC1220 is definitely worth a second look. Two wire opto coupling makes it even better. On my next PCB run

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread EWKehren
where did you find it for $ 8? Bert In a message dated 4/20/2013 3:48:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Looked up the DAC1220 and thats a very nice chip for ~$8. Amazing 20 bit resolution and easy to hook up. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:00

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I looked at the DAC1220 first, but in an EFC application it worries me to no end that it is a Sigma-Delta DAC. Even if I feed it a clock divided down from the OCXO you're EFC'ing, to avoid beatfrequency effects, I would still worry about harmonic effects and noise. Also, the noise-spec is

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:14:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I looked at the DAC1220 first, but in an EFC application it worries me to no end that it is a Sigma-Delta DAC. Even if I feed it a clock divided down from the OCXO you're EFC'ing, to avoid beatfrequency effects, I

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread Herbert Poetzl
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 08:14:06PM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I looked at the DAC1220 first, but in an EFC application it worries me to no end that it is a Sigma-Delta DAC. Even if I feed it a clock divided down from the OCXO you're EFC'ing, to avoid beatfrequency effects, I would still

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread paul swed
Bert I was looking at your price in the leading email. You had ~$8. So thats what I thought it was. I may have misread it sorry. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Herbert Poetzl herb...@13thfloor.atwrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 08:14:06PM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

[time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Has anybody tried using the AD5791 20bit DAC for EFC control ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread EWKehren
As one of our digital loop projects we took a very, very close look at it, but thought once you consider the application, requirements of external references, its influence on temperature performance and cost, a dithered 20 bit LTC 1655 held at 0.1 C is as good a solution. Have not actually

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread Herbert Poetzl
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:20:05AM -0400, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: As one of our digital loop projects we took a very, very close look at it, but thought once you consider the application, requirements of external references, its influence on temperature performance and cost, a

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20130419134411.gb29...@mail.13thfloor.at, Herbert Poetzl writes: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:20:05AM -0400, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Texas Instruments has a number of precision DACs for a very reasonable price, for example the DAC1220 (20bit low power delta-sigma, ~8 USD) and precision

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread paul swed
Thats a great question and not to distract the thread. The modern references seem far superior to the old ones that might be as simple as a zener diode. However the internal references are almost always in a semi temperature controlled environment near the oven. Kind of interesting trade offs.