Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 06/ 5/12 12:26 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/06/12 00:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is not exactly a time related question, but I'm sure the subject must be of interest to time-nuts using GPS. If one transmits from an antenna such as a helical one, RHCP, can the same antenna be used

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/07/2012 06:21 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 06/ 5/12 12:26 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/06/12 00:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is not exactly a time related question, but I'm sure the subject must be of interest to time-nuts using GPS. If one transmits from an antenna such as a

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 07/ 7/12 05:43 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 07/07/2012 06:21 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I can confirm that I'm 100% sure that the polarization of the two antennas needs to be the same - i.e. both RHCP or both LHCP. I built two of them for RHCP, and got appreciate gain. Despite what

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/7/12 9:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I can confirm that I'm 100% sure that the polarization of the two antennas needs to be the same - i.e. both RHCP or both LHCP. I built two of them for RHCP, and got appreciate gain. Despite what other may say, there does seem to be a lot of confusion

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Tom Knox
question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer On 07/07/2012 06:21 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 06/ 5/12 12:26 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/06/12 00:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is not exactly a time related question, but I'm sure the subject must be of interest to time

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Jim Lux
Exactly. Reflections reverse the cp sense On Jul 7, 2012, at 11:40, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for clearing up any confusion Magnus, one more question, are the any conditions such as reflected signals that can reverse polarization? Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-07-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/07/2012 08:49 PM, Jim Lux wrote: Exactly. Reflections reverse the cp sense On Jul 7, 2012, at 11:40, Tom Knoxact...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for clearing up any confusion Magnus, one more question, are the any conditions such as reflected signals that can reverse polarization?

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread David Kirkby
On 5 June 2012 01:12, Dave Martindale dave.martind...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that's correct. This is a funny topic. No matter where see it discussed, there are people with different views on it. I looked on the edaforum http://www.edaboard.com/forum26.html and found a thread (can't

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Chuck Harris
I guarantee you it doesn't cause any controversy among those that use circularly polarized antennas. That the polarization changes from RHCP to LHCP when reflected is certainly the cause of some confusion about the antennas. A RHCP antenna that directly emits a wave towards the source will

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
The easiest way to think about it is to mentally think of the path from the transmitter to the receiver as a very long piece of threaded rod, and the wave being emitted as being a nut traveling on the rod. Ah, and each of the photons then becomes a time nut. /tvb

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Tom Van Baak wrote: The easiest way to think about it is to mentally think of the path from the transmitter to the receiver as a very long piece of threaded rod, and the wave being emitted as being a nut traveling on the rod. Ah, and each of the photons then becomes a time nut. Of course! I

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Rex
I took a scan through Kraus Antennas since he did much of the definitive work on Helical antennas. In his chapter on Wave Polarization he gives a mathematical definition of Left- and Right-circular polarization, then quickly mentions that the IEEE definition is the opposite. He has a footnote:

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Chuck Harris
To quote Jasik's treatment of Kraus's work: There are two kinds of circular polarization, right-hand, and left-hand. Either type may be generated by a helical beam antenna, depending on the manner in which the helix is wound. A helix wound like a right-hand screw radiates or receives

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 06/ 5/12 04:06 PM, Rex wrote: I took a scan through Kraus Antennas since he did much of the definitive work on Helical antennas. In his chapter on Wave Polarization he gives a mathematical definition of Left- and Right-circular polarization, then quickly mentions that the IEEE definition is

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi David, Since I apparently have no cred, I can give you a quote from Jasik: A right hand helical antenna transmits or receives right-hand polarization while a left-hand helical antenna will transmit or receive left-hand polarization. Jasik, Antenna Engineering Handbook, First Edition, p17-3.

[time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
This is not exactly a time related question, but I'm sure the subject must be of interest to time-nuts using GPS. If one transmits from an antenna such as a helical one, RHCP, can the same antenna be used for reception, or does the helix need to be wound the other way? If you google this

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/06/12 00:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: This is not exactly a time related question, but I'm sure the subject must be of interest to time-nuts using GPS. If one transmits from an antenna such as a helical one, RHCP, can the same antenna be used for reception, or does the helix need to be

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-04 Thread Dave Martindale
I don't think that's correct. A right-hand spiral (however you define right-hand) remains right-handed if you rotate the whole object in space so the centre axis of the spiral points in the opposite direction. A right-handed spiral is converted to a left-handed one only by reflecting it in a

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna question about RHCP/LHCP I'm sure a time-nut can answer

2012-06-04 Thread Chuck Harris
Not quite. The definition of right-hand circular polarization, as standardized by the IRE... is as follows: For an observer looking in the direction of propagation, the rotation of the electric-field vector in a transverse plane is clockwise. - Jasik, Antenna Engineering Handbook, First