Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-26 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Perhaps because NTP sees the offset in both send and receive packets and therefore, like any other network delay, it is subtracted out. The description of the change was to remove a delay on the receive side. There was no mention of a

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-26 Thread Paul
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Yes, I see what you mean. I haven't parsed the driver but asymmetry inverts the sign of the offset as viewed from each end (when each end is S1) so it's usually obvious. I'm not seeing it. I've always used

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-25 Thread Hal Murray
david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: I was really interested to see how much effect the extra Ethernet latency of the Raspberry Pi added in a real-world scenario. Thanks to Philip Gladstone, I have now discovered a way of significantly reducing that latency, so that the delay reported by NTP

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-25 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/RaspberryPi-notes.html#EthernetLatency Thanks for the tip. I did that to my R Pi and I see the same improvement in round trip time. What I don't understand is why the time offset as measured by an outside system didn't change. ??

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: What I don't understand is why the time offset as measured by an outside system didn't change. ?? NTP always and continuously measures the round trip time over the network and assumes the one-way time is 1/2 the

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:46:05 -0700 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: So if NTP always compensates for network delay why do you get improved performance with less delay? That is because what messes up NTP is uncertainly in the delay and likely it's the case that reducing the

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-25 Thread Hal Murray
What I don't understand is why the time offset as measured by an outside system didn't change. ?? david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Perhaps because NTP sees the offset in both send and receive packets and therefore, like any other network delay, it is subtracted out. The description of

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-24 Thread David J Taylor
From: Neil Schroeder The other key key key item is make sure you hand build yourself a 3.14 or .16 kernel. NS = Thanks, Neil. I'm afraid I have neither the expertise nor the patience to do that, and to an extent this was intended to be an out-of-the-box

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, Many thanks for all your comments. I am now undertaking tests with the stripped-down Console build of the OS. With both the RPi and the BBB I started with what the typical user might install rather than any special version (indeed, it's built into the BBB). It seems that while many

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread Mike George
David: On this page: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#BBW.2FBBB_.28All_Revs.29 they list an alternative console only image: https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-03-01/console/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-03-01-2gb.img.xz It might be easier starting with

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
David: On the BBB, were you running the fully loaded release, or the minimum console version of the OS? Which specific version of the OS? Thanks, --- Graham = Graham, The download was: bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz (547,024,548 bytes)

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
David: On this page: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#BBW.2FBBB_.28All_Revs.29 they list an alternative console only image: https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-03-01/console/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-03-01-2gb.img.xz It might be easier starting with

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:29:56 -0400 Mike George mgeo...@tuffmail.us wrote: On this page: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#BBW.2FBBB_.28All_Revs.29 they list an alternative console only image:

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread Neil Schroeder
I can confirm similar issues with each of my BBBs. They just can't seem to get the jitter down. I've tried a variety of combinations of Debian and Ubuntu, and even replaced the clock on one with an Si5338. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Mike George mgeo...@tuffmail.us wrote: David: On

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread Graham / KE9H
David: If you are running headless, that is, not using the on board video-graphics system, all interaction with the unit is via the console, local or SSH. In this case, I would use the console version as described above. It is about one tenth the size of the version you are using. You will

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
David: On this page: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#BBW.2FBBB_.28All_Revs.29 they list an alternative console only image: https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-03-01/console/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-03-01-2gb.img.xz It might be easier starting with

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black Raspberry Pi asNTP servers

2015-03-22 Thread Wolfgang Wallner
What kernel do you use? And what scheduling configuration? As it is a timing application, and sensible to jitter, I would suggest to use a real-time kernel (e.g. Preempt RT) [1]. Usually one can find pre-built kernels with PreempRT-support for boards like the RPi etc. on the internet. If you