Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-09 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time If you

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-09 Thread Chris Albertson
it to the plot I'm already doing for timing. So that will work. thanks, bob From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Sims
I'm not using any special surveying software, just some code that I wrote. The controller box and remote box both have GPS units in them. The controller periodically requests the remote unit's position and just calculates the vector distance/bearing between the two units. The application

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time I'm not using any special surveying software,  just some code that I wrote.  The controller box and remote box both have GPS units in them.  The controller periodically requests the remote unit's position and just calculates the vector distance

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Mark: In the early days of GPS the poor man's correction was to do the math on the position. But a better method is to correct the path for each satellite. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Mark Sims wrote: I'm not using any

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Sims
I am only interested in the relative distance and bearing between the control and remote boxes. What I am doing amounts to differential GPS. The receivers are pretty much influenced by the same atmospheric, etc distortions that affect absolute positioning accuracy. When the two sets of

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Sims
Lady Heather has the ability to plot position fixes. If you are handy with programming you could insert some sort of NEMA to TSIP converter between the AdaFruit and a computer running Lady Heather. You would need to emulate a few of the TSIP packet (like primary timing, secondary timing,

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-06 Thread Bob Stewart
@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time I was using the Adafruit GPS receivers to calculate the bearing and distance between two boxes that had radio tranceivers in them.  The control box polls the remote box position and does

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I don’t know about the Adafruit GPS, but I do believe that GPS time is independent of position. Put another way, GPS time is exactly the same here in PA as it is anywhere else on the planet. As the GPS computes locations it also computes time. If location is wandering around, the same

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Tim Shoppa
Rule of thumb: every meter off in survey altitude is three nanoseconds. The error due to inaccurate latitude/longitude is much smaller in nanoseconds per meter for any reasonable viewable sky. Tim N3QE On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I'm experimenting with

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: . I can guess it's a vector difference between each two successive points converted to ns, That vector difference has to include altitude. Then as you say, convert distance to time via the speed of light. But I think this is

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
The pps on that unit is good. Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably. I am working on quantifying its pps as compared to my 2 fury units and the ublox 6T. Awaiting a 8 antenna splitter, and dso. Have another trick up my sleeve but need a Linux kernel hacker. I

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: . I can guess it's a vector difference between each two successive points converted to ns, That vector difference has

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time The pps on that unit is good.  Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably.  I am

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time The pps on that unit is good. Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably. I am working on quantifying its pps as compared to my 2 fury units and the ublox 6T. Awaiting a 8 antenna splitter, and dso. Have another trick up

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 11/04/2013 06:30 PM, Bill Dailey wrote: The pps on that unit is good. Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably. I am working on quantifying its pps as compared to my 2 fury units and the ublox 6T. They are pretty good, being dirt cheap nav receivers. In this

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Kasper Pedersen time-n...@kasperkp.dk When testing, try fast temperature shifts; I found that it would shift the PPS much more than I expected, as if there is a rather slow filter driving the PPS output. Now that's something I hadn't thought of.  I'll need to put at least a cover over my

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Sims
I was using the Adafruit GPS receivers to calculate the bearing and distance between two boxes that had radio tranceivers in them. The control box polls the remote box position and does simple trig on the difference between the GPS coordinates. I noticed that the Adafruit GPS seems to go

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-03 Thread Bob Stewart
I'm experimenting with an Adafruit receiver (MTK3339) and I'd like to be able to compute the time error delta between each reported position.  I can guess it's a vector difference between each two successive points converted to ns, but beyond that, I don't know what to do.  IOW, I need to know