Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/03/2012 04:20 AM, John Miles wrote: Cross correlation is one of life's few free lunches, but you do have to wait for it to work. Magnus is correct in that you can get a 3 dB advantage in noise reduction per sweep, but that only applies to the first sweep. Agreed. Did not mean to say anyt

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread John Miles
> > I've heard and read some documents about using cross-correlation using > two distinct reference oscillators when trying to measure the phase > noise from a source to reduce the influence of the reference > oscillators phase noise. > > Unfortunately, it's still not exactly clear to me how it w

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/03/2012 01:47 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Excuse my pop-up into this topic, just let me try to complete: you cross-correlate and obtain the most probable samples and then do your phase noise process on those samples. The cross-correlation is only a filter, a preprocessor for the samples. Am I

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
Excuse my pop-up into this topic, just let me try to complete: you cross-correlate and obtain the most probable samples and then do your phase noise process on those samples. The cross-correlation is only a filter, a preprocessor for the samples. Am I on the right way? On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:31

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Sylvain, On 08/02/2012 11:24 PM, Sylvain Munaut wrote: Hi Magnus, Thanks a lot for the concise and very clean explanation. You are welcome! The cross-correlation part between the two signal was clear enough in my head but I didn't really see how it would achieve much gain. I didn't think

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Sylvain Munaut
Hi Magnus, Thanks a lot for the concise and very clean explanation. The cross-correlation part between the two signal was clear enough in my head but I didn't really see how it would achieve much gain. I didn't think about averaging many resulting spectrum while they're still complex (and not jus

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Sylvain, On 08/02/2012 09:56 PM, Sylvain Munaut wrote: Hi, I've heard and read some documents about using cross-correlation using two distinct reference oscillators when trying to measure the phase noise from a source to reduce the influence of the reference oscillators phase noise. Unfortu

[time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread Sylvain Munaut
Hi, I've heard and read some documents about using cross-correlation using two distinct reference oscillators when trying to measure the phase noise from a source to reduce the influence of the reference oscillators phase noise. Unfortunately, it's still not exactly clear to me how it works ... d