Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation In message trinity-fbe15ceb-78c6-4e04-a3e1-b9b5c2e20fd9-1438400665333@3capp-ma ilcom-lxa02, zzsili...@post.com writes: If I have a GPS receiver with output pin of both 1pps 10KHz, a Rubidium clock of 10MHz, and a signal

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1502052008.304624.1438465781711.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, Bob Stewart writes: Here's an example of what I'm talking about.  See description and notes.  The blue trace is the one using the clock in the 5370A.  The other tests match pretty closely down to around 60s or so.

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread timeok
Dear ZZ, To measure phase noise or Allan deviation or other type of measure you need a Reference to compare the DUT, device under test. This reference have to be better performances than the DUT we can suppose have to be ten time better than the DUT and in case of a GPSDO a good source can be

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, first a step back: At one second your GPS ADEV will be in the 1x10^-9 to 1x10^-7 range depending on the unit you have. At one second your Rb will be somewhere in the 1x10^-12 to 1x10^-9 range depending on the unit you have. If you compare them against each other, the number you get

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message trinity-fbe15ceb-78c6-4e04-a3e1-b9b5c2e20fd9-1438400665333@3capp-ma ilcom-lxa02, zzsili...@post.com writes: If I have a GPS receiver with output pin of both 1pps 10KHz, a Rubidium clock of 10MHz, and a signal generator. How can I determine their Allan Deviation? I know the

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
the internal 10811 to clock the 5370A. I noticed the same on my 5335A. Bob From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; zzsili...@post.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation Hi Which approach are you using: 1) start with 1 pps, stop with 10 MHz (max period ~ 100 ns) 2) start with 1 pps stop with 1 pps (max period ~ 1

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation In message 1925117252.232793.1438455428192.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1925117252.232793.1438455428192.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, Bob Stewart writes: Hi Poul, 0)  Make sure that the counter does not get its reference frequency     from any of the input signals. Does your rule 0 hold if one of the input signals is a Cs standard?  I believe

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation In message 1925117252.232793.1438455428192.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
to clock the 5370A.  I noticed the same on my 5335A. Bob From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; zzsili...@post.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan

[time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread zzsilicon
If I have a GPS receiver with output pin of both 1pps 10KHz, a Rubidium clock of 10MHz, and a signal generator. How can I determine their Allan Deviation? I know the math formula, but my problem is the data collection. I am looking through internet so far. It seems the standard way to