Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-28 Thread jimlux
On 10/28/16 5:03 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you look at the mode shapes for the various overtones, their energy maxima are at different locations on the blank. If you put an electrode on top of the 3rd overtone energy pattern (and avoid the fundamental pattern) you will boost the 3rd and reduce

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-28 Thread Bob Camp
HI Roughly 99% of it is buried away in the heads of a few dozen people around the world. Bob > On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:24 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Hoi Bob, > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:50:46 -0400 > Bob Camp wrote: > >> Crystals are highly optimized for

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you look at the mode shapes for the various overtones, their energy maxima are at different locations on the blank. If you put an electrode on top of the 3rd overtone energy pattern (and avoid the fundamental pattern) you will boost the 3rd and reduce the fundamental. You can actually find

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-28 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Bob, On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:50:46 -0400 Bob Camp wrote: > Crystals are highly optimized for the specific overtone they are > intended to operate on. In fact, you can fiddle them to the point > that they no longer have a “fundamental” response. Interesting, thanks! Do you

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-27 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 10/27/2016 4:50 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Crystals are highly optimized for the specific overtone they are intended to operate on. In fact, you can fiddle them to the point that they no longer have a “fundamental” response. Bob That's interesting. Every overtone crystal I have played

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Indeed, there are processes for things like filter crystals that reduce the (very) near by responses. There are approaches for things like SC’s to take out the somewhat further out “bothersome” stuff. Bob > On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Magnus Danielson > wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Hmm, such fiddeling could maybe also apply to nearby alternative modes of the crystals, even if I guess it would be harder to do meaningful dents on them. Cheers, Magnus On 10/28/2016 01:50 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Crystals are highly optimized for the specific overtone they are

Re: [time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Crystals are highly optimized for the specific overtone they are intended to operate on. In fact, you can fiddle them to the point that they no longer have a “fundamental” response. Bob > On Oct 27, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Moin, > > I have stumbled

[time-nuts] Difference in manufacturing for fundamental tone, 3rd, and 5th overtone crystals

2016-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, I have stumbled over another question I am unable to answer using the tools I have available: Is there any fundamental difference in manufacturing fundamental and overtone chrystals. Or to be more precise: is there an optimization process during manufacturing that makes a crystal more