Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:42:33 -0500 Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote: This is not a challenging application for time accuracy, unless a human (like the CIO) wants to have better accuracy than his (it's a testosterone thing) competition. Process valves have a 1 second time constant, for the

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread mike cook
Hal's response was quite complete, but he missed one essential and often missed parameter. Redundency. I have been working for years in operating system support for major international computer constructors and it amazes me how often I came across equally large international clients who had no

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4c7cc2f1.3060...@orange.fr, mike cook writes: of references about how to do this in a belt and braces manner. How far you go (5 independent clocks should be sufficient) depends on how much your downtime costs. Let me just add a bit of caution here: The NTP software gets confused if

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Harlan Stenn
You wrote: Let me just add a bit of caution here: The NTP software gets confused if it has too many servers to select from. I would _never_ advice configuring more than 5 ntp servers for any machine, unless some of them deliberately are made unavailable and only used for

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 201008310920.o7v9kzui025...@stenn.ntp.org, Harlan Stenn writes: You wrote: I would _never_ advice configuring more than 5 ntp servers for any machine, unless some of them deliberately are made unavailable and only used for monitoring/sanity-check. Sounds like a bug to me. It is.

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Harlan Stenn
You wrote: In message 201008310920.o7v9kzui025...@stenn.ntp.org, Harlan Stenn writes: You wrote: I would _never_ advice configuring more than 5 ntp servers for any machine, unless some of them deliberately are made unavailable and only used for monitoring/sanity-check. Sounds like a

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 201008310942.o7v9gerf025...@stenn.ntp.org, Harlan Stenn writes: You wrote: The problem is that if multiple servers with roughly identical performance survive the culling, the clock selection codes commitment-anxiety makes i switch partner far too often. If you allow the automatic

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-30 Thread Hal Murray
b...@iaxs.net said: I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for multi-national businesses. GPS springs to mind as a way to synchronize time anywhere. Or is it? What about monsoon rains? The Internet is available almost everywhere that control computers are used,

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
Hal, Many thanks for taking the time for that excellent reply. A true data diode has no leakage. You can make one by clipping the receive wires in a switch. The control network sends predictable UDP messages with its data. No concern is taken for harm from the Internet, and it is not possible to

[time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for multi-national businesses. GPS springs to mind as a way to synchronize time anywhere. Or is it? What about monsoon rains? The Internet is available almost everywhere that control computers are used, but many users prefer to

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/29/2010 01:31 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for multi-national businesses. GPS springs to mind as a way to synchronize time anywhere. Or is it? What about monsoon rains? The Internet is available almost everywhere that control

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-28 Thread Brian Kirby
I read its hard to get a position fix over the poles of the earth - its related to the orbits of the GPS satellites. But to get time, you really only need one satellite. On 8/28/2010 6:31 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-28 Thread jimlux
Bill Hawkins wrote: I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for multi-national businesses. GPS springs to mind as a way to synchronize time anywhere. Or is it? It is, and you can buy boxes from Symmetricom (among others) to do exactly what you need. The typical box