Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Alex Pummer
yes for transmitter antennas, but not for receiver antennas in Austria Germany Switzerland France Hungary one could have receiver antenna as long as he want, but the height is limited similarly as in the US 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 5/10/2015 7:15 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: My recollection is that

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Adrian Godwin
Is it driven as an inductive loop? That might put it under different regulations. On 11 May 2015 17:47, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence as an antenna. In the US, the antenna

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On most of these “buried” systems, the *intended* output is an audio ( 15 KHz) signal. Since the carrier is below the bottom end of the regulations, you are in “who cares” territory. That’s the intent. The problem comes from the fact that they modulate the carrier in ways the reg’s never

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/15 12:52 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: Is it driven as an inductive loop? That might put it under different regulations. On 11 May 2015 17:47, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence as an antenna. In the US, the antenna size for free bands is seriously limited. As an example, the so called Lowfer band at 136KHz is limited to antennas no larger than 15m in length.

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 05/10/2015 01:11 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 09 May 2015 12:15:47 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I spent some time capturing some data today. The measurements is from my $20 loop-antenna in the attic, which is something like 8 meters up and 10 meters besides

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-10 Thread Chuck Harris
My recollection is that in the US, certain requirements exist for antenna length on the so called free bands. I have no idea what the European requirements might be, but, perhaps they can be foiled by their allowing their minuscule amounts of power to flow into an over length antenna? -Chuck

[time-nuts] EMI and CE certification (was: lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping)

2015-05-09 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 09 May 2015 12:15:47 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I spent some time capturing some data today. The measurements is from my $20 loop-antenna in the attic, which is something like 8 meters up and 10 meters besides the lawn-mower loop: