Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-14 Thread paul swed
- From: Peter Bell bell.pe...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 18:32:26 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning The ones with the 2 labels have a date code as the 4 digit prefix on the S/N - so

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-14 Thread Tim
Hi All, Just a few words on the different types of FE5680. The types requiring 5v on one of the pins only have a simple L C filter to sine up the square wave and are only suitable for locking digital devices. The variants with the SMA or single 15v supply have a multipole band pass filter

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
I can let you know what I've found out about these units - I got given a couple of dead ones and did a bit of poking around trying to get them working. I didn't get that far, since one of the units was easily fixed (the MAX882 3.3V regulator had failed) and the other seems to have a faulty Rb

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning Rivet / Screw

2011-11-13 Thread Robert Atkinson
. Robert G8RPI. From: Rex r...@sonic.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2011, 21:58 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning On 11/12/2011 9:46 AM, Don Latham wrote: I just bought a couple

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Pete Thank you for your information. I agree with your findings and as I pointed out previously it support the math that the AD 9832 is used for tuning. That allows them to set the Rb at the optimum operating point based on their gas mixture. What I like to know is how they control the C

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Paul it is listing # 250911887702 from ggg*fitting. I think we will see prices dropping even more since there are only so many time-nuts. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/12/2011 10:14:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Kind of joining in late. Might this be the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 11/13/2011 10:36 AM, Peter Bell wrote: I can let you know what I've found out about these units - I got given a couple of dead ones and did a bit of poking around trying to get them working. I didn't get that far, since one of the units was easily fixed (the MAX882 3.3V regulator had

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
Yes, I'm quite sure this is how it works - if you scope the snap diode drive you can quite clearly see both the 60MHz and the 5.3MHz from the DDS chip mixed together. My assumption is that the DDS output is subtractively mixed with the 114th harmonic of the 60Mhz inside the cavity: 60*114 =

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Pete That is exactly the same math I did, there is no other choice but it would be nice if some one can help on the C field. I just finished mounting it on a heat sink added a Toshiba 15 V 3 A power supply and a 7805 and will run it for a month with out changing any thing. Will read it twice

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. Curious minds would like to know why. On 11/13/2011 07:15 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Pete That is exactly the same math I did, there is no other choice but it would be nice if some one can help on the C field. I just finished mounting it on a

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread mike cook
Le 13/11/2011 18:21, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R a écrit : Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. Curious minds would like to know why. I expect they are lots from telecom providers who are are replacing kit that is being upgraded. I don't see any date codes on the boxes. Has anyone

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Pete Lancashire
here's a different layout 250896271094 -pete On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:45 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Paul it is listing # 250911887702 from ggg*fitting. I think we will see prices dropping even more since there are only so many time-nuts. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/12/2011

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Pete Lancashire
Telcom upgrade, just like where all the Thuderbolts came from On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. Curious minds would like to know why. On 11/13/2011 07:15 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Pete That

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
The ones with the 2 labels have a date code as the 4 digit prefix on the S/N - so a unit that says S/N 0416-756124 was made in week 16 2004. All the ones I've seen date from 2003 or 2004. The board they were originally attached to was largely empty - although it did have a label indicating that

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Don Latham
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning The ones with the 2 labels have a date code as the 4 digit prefix on the S/N - so a unit that says S/N 0416-756124 was made in week 16 2004. All the ones I've seen date from 2003 or 2004. The board they were originally attached to was largely empty

[time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread EWKehren
The FE 5680A's advertised as NEW are not NEW! A friend that made me aware of the sale did notice clear signs of use, so I did a closer inspection under a Microscope and found clear indications that the unit has been bolted down in the past. Does work fine and I am looking at ways to go

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread EWKehren
I have done some more checking and identified the C field pins: one has 2.5163 V, the other 2.5294 V. Would be nice to know which one gets varied in units with C coil adjustment. Xtal Osc. is 60 MHz on this unit. Also has an AD 9832 in it, unit is specked at 25 MHz so it does not run off the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
They are tempting -pete (looking at bank account) On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:07 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: I have done some more checking and identified the C field pins: one has 2.5163 V, the other 2.5294 V. Would be nice to know which one gets varied in units with C coil adjustment. Xtal

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I am not familiar with how these units are set up. I have a couple of older Ball units which simply put out 10 MHz, but these FE ones seem to have this external crystal oscillator? How does that work? I've seen these 5680A's for sale cheap and they come with these external 63 or so MHz

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
Hi Peter: The external oscillator is just thrown in to the deal; they have nothing to do with the Rb unit. You also get a gratuitous 9 pin connector. These units should be self-contained. Don Peter Gottlieb I am not familiar with how these units are set up. I have a couple of older Ball units

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Rex
On 11/12/2011 9:46 AM, Don Latham wrote: I just bought a couple of 5680A's that have the same FEI p/n. They are pop-riveted to a heavy double-sided board., obviously cut off from a longer board. I think those pop-rivets are actually screws with a small hex socket in the center. That's what

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
Aha. Well, they were hollow, so I drilled 'em out. Didn't want the big card anyhow :-) Don Rex On 11/12/2011 9:46 AM, Don Latham wrote: I just bought a couple of 5680A's that have the same FEI p/n. They are pop-riveted to a heavy double-sided board., obviously cut off from a longer board. I

[time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning - THE CLUES

2011-11-12 Thread WB6BNQ
RESENT WITHOUT ATTACHMENTS Fellow Timenuts, Here are the clues that will answer some of your questions concerning the “newer version” FEI Rubidiums and also it’s “Kissing” cousins from Symmetricom; the newer series XPRO and SA22c. It appears both companies have came with up with same idea at

[time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread cdelect
Hi Folks, I played with a few of these that came off the cut up board you describe. The ones I had put out 1PPS ONLY! Internally they ran at 8.xx Mhz that divided down to the 1 Hz. I was able to engineer a tiny add-on board using very small 10Mhz crystals and made them put out 10Mhz. By the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread paul swed
Kind of joining in late. Might this be the epay womart for $49 inclouding shipping? That really is quite a good price. May also order one up. Regards Paul. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Aha. Well, they were hollow, so I drilled 'em out. Didn't want the big

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
That's it, I think. Look for the large base and the extra crystal, completely extraneous. Don paul swed Kind of joining in late. Might this be the epay womart for $49 inclouding shipping? That really is quite a good price. May also order one up. Regards Paul. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:04