Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-10 Thread michael taylor
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be interested in reports on how well these work for GPS antennas, both in terms of lightning protection and in terms of attenuation, tempco, or phase delay. Permanent GPS Stations - Surge and Lightning Protection:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-03 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:12:39 +1030 Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this was the reason for my original query - what I don't want is for anything to get to the computer/LAN. There has been considerable discussion on the 1-Wire Weather list about equipment getting toasted due to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-03 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:07:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Richard W. Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ICE Electronics also has a line of surge protectors. Unlike others, they include a resistor to ground to bleed off static build-up. I se these on all my antennas. Any semiconductor (TVS diode, Z-Diode)

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-02 Thread Raimond Melkers L-3 Titan
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 05:21 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection I'm not using any at the moment, but then all my GPS antennae are indoors (long story

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-01 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Alan, rod. The likelihood of getting any significant voltage on the center conductor I would think would be very small. A lightning strike is not your normal static discharge. The magnetic, and electromagnetic energy released by a strike is humongous. We had to go to 3000W fast TVS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-01 Thread Robert Vassar
Lightning simply doesn't behave like you might expect. It's a DC current, but the rise times and current magnitude gives rise to AC behaviors. The problem with attractive protection is they have to carry the full burden of the strike without fail. If it fails, the current simply moves

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-01 Thread Jack Hudler
bonding the grounding system for the pool equipment). Jack -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Smith Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:40 PM To: Time Nuts List Subject: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection Hi Folks

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-01 Thread Didier Juges
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:25 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection Yes, this is the case, but it's easy

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Rob Kimberley
-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection Hi Folks Is anyone implementing any form of lightning protection for their GPS-attached equipment? If my antenna gets struck or we have a nearby hit (nearest strike to ground since we moved here was about 470m away, IIRC), I would like to limit

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Mike S
At 04:40 PM 2/28/2008, Matthew Smith wrote... Is anyone implementing any form of lightning protection for their GPS-attached equipment? I use an arrestor, something like this: http://www.alphadeltacom.com/tt3g50.html . That's not the brand I have, but it's similar.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Jason Rabel
I have lightning protector that uses those gas tubes. I have yet to hook it up though... My GPS antenna is mounted on a metal building so I'm probably a prime candidate for a lightning attractor. The antenna is mounted on a plastic pole giving a little isolation from the building itself though...

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Tom Van Baak
RF gas-based lightning surge protectors are widely available; look on eBay for items with words like: Huber Suhner Polyphaser EMP surge lightning suppressor protector RGT gas For example, http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=Polyphaser+protector

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Richard W. Solomon
time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection RF gas-based lightning surge protectors are widely available; look on eBay for items with words like: Huber Suhner Polyphaser EMP surge lightning suppressor protector RGT gas

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread randy warner
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:50 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, couple of problems with these gas discharge devices: they need a significant voltage to trip, and usually may only help when the hit is a vicinity hit, not a direct hit. For direct hits, the goal is to prevent human casualties, and fires. I don't think any sensitive RF receiver

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth randy warner at 2008-03-01 09:51... ... Remember, the surge protector will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect the antenna. Their sole intent is to prevent large surges from getting into your electronics, house wiring, fingers, toes, etc. The receiver will be toast most likely, unless the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Matt, this may not work for you, but the new receivers coming onto the market are amazingly sensitive. I get full signal strength inside our wooden house on a Sirf-based receiver we are evaluating. I also get 8 Sats and more inside a metal building where we don't even get Cell-phone

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread SAIDJACK
Forgot to mention, I put that diode and inductor inside my HP GPS Distribution amps retrofitting all of them, it fits quite well. HP uses a similar inductor (but smaller current capacity) to feed antenna power into the Antenna, so the effect of this is negligible. But caveat-emptor:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-29 Thread Alan Melia
Hi All, all the comment has been about in-line protectors so far. We in the UK do dot have the ferocity of lightning that is seen in some parts of the USA but surely like all problems prevention is better. It is probably not 100% but would it not be better to have a higher metal rod say 6 feet

[time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-02-28 Thread Matthew Smith
Hi Folks Is anyone implementing any form of lightning protection for their GPS-attached equipment? If my antenna gets struck or we have a nearby hit (nearest strike to ground since we moved here was about 470m away, IIRC), I would like to limit the damage to the GPS module. My thought was to