Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
- Original Message - From: Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:59 AM Subject: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy Hello all. I am planning to do some experiments to evaluate the aging of oscillators (this one of the reasons I'm

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-15 Thread Andrea Baldoni
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 06:16:01PM -0500, Bob Camp wrote: Actually it’s a bit worse than you might expect. The uncorrected sawtooth will give you about 20 ns of wander. At the one day level, GPS without some sort of ionosphere help (like a dual frequency receiver) will add another 10 ns or

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-15 Thread Andrea Baldoni
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 03:10:39PM +0100, Attila Kinali wrote: The GNSS Timing AppNote for the LEA6-T receiver[1] will give you an idea what jitter you get with GPS. Please be aware that these measurements were done with an antenna located at a _good_ position (ontop of a 4 story building

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jan 15, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 06:16:01PM -0500, Bob Camp wrote: Actually it’s a bit worse than you might expect. The uncorrected sawtooth will give you about 20 ns of wander. At the one day level, GPS without some sort

[time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Andrea Baldoni
Hello all. I am planning to do some experiments to evaluate the aging of oscillators (this one of the reasons I'm willing to buy the Milleren without EFC). What I would like to do exactly is to sample the total of a counter (of suitable number of bits, taking in account the fact that it will

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Actually it’s a bit worse than you might expect. The uncorrected sawtooth will give you about 20 ns of wander. At the one day level, GPS without some sort of ionosphere help (like a dual frequency receiver) will add another 10 ns or so to that. Net, your pps is spread over a 30 ns range.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 1PPS ultimate accuracy

2015-01-12 Thread Attila Kinali
Ciao Andrea, On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:59:26 +0100 Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com wrote: The sampling interval could come from a (long time based on a) sawtooth uncorrected PPS from a cheap GPS, a sawtooth corrected from a good one (perhaps the Lucent GPSDO), or a computer using NTP.