Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/03/2012 05:30 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 2/2/12 12:05 PM, Daniel Schultz wrote: I found this homebrew GPS receiver project recently: http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm No custom specialized chips that are unavailable in small quantities, or which will go obsolete in a few months. I

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-02 Thread bg
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it might be interresting but then found out you need to buy $2,000+ worth of hardware for even start experimenting.Open Source SDR needs to run on a common affordable platform or it will never

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-02 Thread Daniel Schultz
I found this homebrew GPS receiver project recently: http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm No custom specialized chips that are unavailable in small quantities, or which will go obsolete in a few months. I think the best solution for the open source GPS community is to design open source

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:05:49 -0500 Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net wrote: I found this homebrew GPS receiver project recently: http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm No custom specialized chips that are unavailable in small quantities, or which will go obsolete in a few months. I think

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/2/12 12:05 PM, Daniel Schultz wrote: I found this homebrew GPS receiver project recently: http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm No custom specialized chips that are unavailable in small quantities, or which will go obsolete in a few months. I think the best solution for the open

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:07:23 -0500 John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: There've been numerous threads on the Gnuradio mailing list about code to receive GPS using the Ettus Research USRP hardware.  I don't know

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread David
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:07:23 -0500 John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: There've been numerous threads on the Gnuradio mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Bob Camp
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution) On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:07:23

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:27:30 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it might be interresting but then found out you need to buy $2,000+ worth of hardware for even start experimenting.Open Source SDR needs to run on a common affordable platform or it will never gain

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:43:55 -0500 Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: My guess is that the reality of parts sourcing will quickly get us right back to the group buy of LEA-6T topic. As i just wrote in reply to Chris Albertson, sourcing is not really an issue, as long as you don't strive for highly

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My guess is that the reality of parts sourcing will quickly get us right back to the group buy of LEA-6T topic. For timing I don't see why an LEA-6T is better then a Oncore or t-bolt. You can buy an Oncore UT for about $18 on

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20120201191226.f6273dcef860b157b817a...@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali w rites: but it's possible. Today we have so much electronic that works in the 2.4GHz band that we have many devices at our disposal. It's not uncommon for mobile phone frontends to span 600MHz-4GHz these days, so I

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: That said. I've contacted u-blox, but got a number that is way out of what i've expected (approx 120CHF). I'm currently trying to get a lower price. What is it these u-blox device can do that a cheaper Motorola Oncore

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread EWKehren
That is also what I like to understand, and when combined with a FE 5680A the time will be long and should be averaged over 100 if not 1000 samples, what is the advantage? Look at the error budget. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/1/2012 2:04:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
Chris, When you're down at the ns level, every ns counts even more. There actually a huge difference between a UT and VP and M12 and ... Then again, it's not always about nanoseconds. There are also issues of power and size, support, supply, price, the future. Perhaps also RF sensitivity,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Peter Monta
I think, a specialized GPS SDR can be build for less than 500 USD in low (a dozen at max) volumes. The USRP works for GPS L1 (though P/Y is a little undersampled at 8 Ms/s complex), but I didn't find a way to acquire both L1 and L2 simultaneously at useful sample rates (maybe current USRP

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:03:19 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: That said. I've contacted u-blox, but got a number that is way out of what i've expected (approx 120CHF). I'm currently trying to get a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread SAIDJACK
Simple: the ublox will just work when you apply power and have a good antenna. The Motorola units have all sorts of idiosyncrasies, such as sometimes taking a very long time to achieve a lock, having the Almanac get corrupted and not lock when the battery backup is getting low, having

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:49:51 -0800 Peter Monta pmo...@gmail.com wrote: One possible inexpensive design: - RF input passively split three ways, with LC filters for the three channels: L5/E5, L2, and L1/E1/Glonass - For each channel, a downconverter (Maxim MAX2121) feeding a ~65 Ms/s ADC

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Roberto Barrios
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:38:25 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution) On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My guess is that the reality of parts sourcing will quickly get us right back to the group

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread EWKehren
Being divorced and no children writing a large check is neither a problem nor a challenge. To me the challenge is to find solutions that are affordable and work for every body. Sadly there is very little interest or emphasis in this group on this. An example the $ 10 Loran C simulator