Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-06 Thread Tim
On 5/06/2012 4:52 PM, Jerry Mulchin wrote: Tim, Can you describe your test setup used to measure the Phase Noise Plots you show in the links provided. Are you using the 8566B to measure the Phase Noise directly, or are you using a Phase Noise test set to make the measurements? Hi Jerry,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-05 Thread Jerry Mulchin
Tim, Can you describe your test setup used to measure the Phase Noise Plots you show in the links provided. Are you using the 8566B to measure the Phase Noise directly, or are you using a Phase Noise test set to make the measurements? Thanks Jerry At 08:33 PM 6/4/2012, you wrote: On 3/06/2012

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-05 Thread EWKehren
Most Rb's can be improved when it comes to phase noise even a FRK-H, some by replacing the internal oscillators, some by adding an external analog loop. How ever multiplying to 10 GHz and you have to contend with the 60 db deterioration. One way around is higher frequency XTAL or SAW

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-05 Thread Jerry Mulchin
Tim, Can you describe your test setup used to measure the Phase Noise Plots you show in the links provided. Are you using the 8566B to measure the Phase Noise directly, or are you using a Phase Noise test set to make the measurements? Thanks Jerry At 08:33 PM 6/4/2012, you wrote: On 3/06/2012

[time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread SAIDJACK
Jerry, Chris, it's all relative, while the Lpro may be a good Rb standard, it's phase noise is not that good really. You list: -96dBc/Hz @ 10Hz, -138dBc/Hz @ 100Hz, -152dBc/Hz @ 1KHz offsets For the Lpro. The new Jackson Labs Technologies LN CSAC GPSDO with SC-cut phase noise and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello, El 03/06/2012 10:46, saidj...@aol.com escribió: The FEI-5680A Rubidium that we discussed here some time ago has a much worse phase noise plot of course, because the 10MHz is generated digitally through a DDS, not a 10MHz crystal oscillator.. There is a version that generates 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Rex
Said, Thanks for the info and congrats on the stats from the Jackson Labs stuff. You mentioned the older HP Z3801. I wonder if you (or others) happen to have comparison numbers on the Z3816A with the MTI 260 oscillator or the Z3805 with (I think) the same oscillator. I thought I heard the MTI

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Said Jackson
hello Rex, from what I have seen the lowest noise is available on the Z3801 with 10811. I also have a Z3815 with E1938A oscillator, but the 3801 is much less noisy and more stable. Don't have a 3816 or 3805 to test against. Keep in mind that there is a large performance variation from unit to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Said Jackson
Hello Javier, I have a couple from that last Ebay lot , and the phase noise/spurs are so bad on these that I figured the 10MHz must have been generated by a DDS. I posted the phase noise and ADEV plots of this unit to this list earlier this year. bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Jun 3, 2012, at

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Javier Herrero
Hi, Said, I think that all of the last cheap ebay lot are of the second variety (60MHz osc + 5.3125MHz DDS, very narrow tuning range through serial port message). I remember your phase noise and adev plots on them. But I don't know if the first variety (the ones with a 55MHz or so crystal

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (new...

2012-06-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think that if you switch to an averaging of a few seconds from per pixel the plot of frequency difference will look a bit different. The phase perturbations from DDS will still be there, and they are an issue. They just many not be as dramatic as that plot implies. Bob On Jun 3, 2012,