Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-06 Thread Chris Wilson
06/06/2012 23:47 Just to thank everyone for the warm welcome and splendid advice, I couldn't have asked for anything more. A great bunch of boffins (in the nicest possible way ;)) I have just ordered from a well known auction site's China Town a Thunderbolt kit and will be looking forward to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-06 Thread Peter Gottlieb
As for the spectrum analyzer, shipping is the killer. I picked up a nice condition HP 8566B for around $USD 900 but it would blow through your budget real quick to ship there. Keep an eye out on eBay for units listed to end on an odd hour and set snipes. Peter On Jun 6, 2012, at 6:53 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-05 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi For your immediate need, a Thunderbolt sounds like the ideal solution. It will give you a very accurate reference to sort out your test gear and likely good enough phase noise for most of the rest of what you want to do. Once you get into the microwave stuff, plan your PLL's properly

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You should be able to daisy chain a number of devices off of a TBolt. More or less, you run a BNC cable with a bunch of Tee's on it to distribute the signal. The end of the cable should get a 50 ohm load. There are better / fancier / more expensive ways to do it using distribution

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote: I have thought of something I am unable to find an answer for via the normal Googling, etcetera. When I get my GPS locked standard will it be able to feed several items of test equipment simultaneously? IE, say a sig

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Spencer
Ditto. I daisy chained devices together before I got a 10 Mhz distribution amp. So long as I didn't make any changes to the cabling while making critical measurements it seemed to work okay. Regards Mark Spencer -- On Tue, 5 Jun, 2012 8:28 PM EDT Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-05 Thread Chase Turner
TAPR released the TADD-2 in March I believe; I just saw them demo it at Dayton. http://www.tapr.org/kits_tadd-2.html -Chase W4TI ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-04 Thread cfo
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:16:15 -0400, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As long as it shows rev E or rev D it's likely a later version unit. The date code on the OCXO is the best indicator, but even that's not 100%. As long as it's one made after about 2002 you will have a good one. Search on Eb..: 10mhz

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are trying to do microwave work, phase noise is going to be an issue no matter how you do it. A lot of the design effort always goes into a low noise oscillator chain in that sort of gear. For HF gear, phase noise may not be quite as big an issue. A lot of rigs pretty much ignore

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Chris Wilson
03/06/2012 19:09 Thanks for the great replies! My immediate need is to check some used test equipment I have bought, a Racal dana 9908 counter and a Marconi 2019A signal generator. They don't agree with one another! I was going to get a Thunderbolt unit and PS, but my friend mentioning noise

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Mark Spencer
Sent from my iPod On 2012-06-03, at 2:19 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote: 03/06/2012 19:09 Thanks for the great replies! My immediate need is to check some used test equipment I have bought, a Racal dana 9908 counter and a Marconi 2019A signal generator. They don't

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Mark Spencer
and money on time nuts pursuits than on amateur radio. Regards Mark Spencer VE7AFZ --- On Sun, 6/3/12, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie). To: Chris

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Chris, You are on the right track. I have had the Trimble Thunderbolts (3 each) for about 5 years now. Just to be sure everything compares favorably I use Lady Heather PC software to monitor their performance (de KE5FX website) Stay tuned to this reflector, lotsa interesting

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote: 03/06/2012 19:09 ...My immediate need is to check some used test equipment I have bought, a Racal dana 9908 counter and a Marconi 2019A signal generator. They don't agree with one another! I was going to get a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For your immediate need, a Thunderbolt sounds like the ideal solution. It will give you a very accurate reference to sort out your test gear and likely good enough phase noise for most of the rest of what you want to do. Once you get into the microwave stuff, plan your PLL's properly and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi For your immediate need, a Thunderbolt sounds like the ideal solution. It will give you a very accurate reference to sort out your test gear and likely good enough phase noise for most of the rest of what you want to do. Once you get into the microwave stuff, plan your PLL's properly

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As long as it shows rev E or rev D it's likely a later version unit. The date code on the OCXO is the best indicator, but even that's not 100%. As long as it's one made after about 2002 you will have a good one. Bob On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Chris Wilson wrote: Hi For your

[time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Wilson
I am looking to get a frequency standard for my amateur radio shack, initially for verifying test gear readings, but later as a standard to lock receiver and transmitter oscillators to. I was going to buy a GPS frequency standard but a friend warned me these may have noise issues when

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Albertson
If you want a frequency reference. There is nothing better than GPS. In fact it you bought a Rubidium you would still need the GPS so you could calibrate its frequency. Some GPSes might be noisy but then you can lock a good double oven crystal oscillator to it and have what they call a GPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/2/12 2:57 PM, Chris Wilson wrote: I am looking to get a frequency standard for my amateur radio shack, initially for verifying test gear readings, but later as a standard to lock receiver and transmitter oscillators to. I was going to buy a GPS frequency standard but a friend

Re: [time-nuts] GPS and Rubidium frequency standards and noise question (newbie).

2012-06-02 Thread Jerry Mulchin
Chris, To answer your question regarding using a Rubidium standard as a frequency reference for your Transverters. GPS really has nothing to do the main requirement regarding Phase Noise and your Transceivers. But the 10MHz oscillator inside the Rubidium standard is the item that will be the