[time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Here are ADEV plots and interesting results from a recent experiment on varying the time-constant of a GPSDO: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-tc/ There was a thread recently where Warren suggested that the loop time constant (TC) of GPSDO was less than ideal. He is correct. There are a

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message b6f04190894a41eeaae0305a898a5...@pc52, Tom Van Baak writes: Here are ADEV plots and interesting results from a recent experiment on varying the time-constant of a GPSDO: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-tc/ Tom, part of the reason for the sub-optimally short default time constant

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom Van Baak skrev: Here are ADEV plots and interesting results from a recent experiment on varying the time-constant of a GPSDO: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-tc/ There was a thread recently where Warren suggested that the loop time constant (TC) of GPSDO was less than ideal. He

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: Tom Van Baak skrev: Here are ADEV plots and interesting results from a recent experiment on varying the time-constant of a GPSDO: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-tc/ There was a thread recently where Warren suggested that the loop time constant

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message b6f04190894a41eeaae0305a898a5...@pc52, Tom Van Baak writes: Here are ADEV plots and interesting results from a recent experiment on varying the time-constant of a GPSDO: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-tc/ Tom, part of the reason for the

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hej Bruce, The good news is that if you, the time-nut, have the gear and the time to measure the stability of the OCXO in your GPSDO, and know your environment well, then you can probably safely lengthen the TC and achieve much better mid-term stability out of your GPSDO as shown in the plot

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4965dece.3060...@xtra.co.nz, Bruce Griffiths writes: Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: How exactly can one measure the resultant performance or even select the optimum time constant and damping factor if one doesn't have a quieter reference? Can one really resort to some sort of N

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message 4965dc62.9070...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: In a lab setting, it makes sense to increase over the default time-constant, just remember that it impacts your loops ability to cope with for instance a 2g turnover. Most labs would have

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4965e869.4090...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Ericsson created a rack system in which the bottom of the rack was actually forming a closed container with the floor. We had that at one place I worked, except it was two small dogs you attached front and back a

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Magnus, all depends - in an aircraft you have 6g+ turn-overs :) We make a version of our FireFly-II GPSDO with ultra-low-g sensitivity and ruggedization, that one you can run in a back-pack while doing skating-tricks on a ramp and you won't see much change in frequency. A bit more

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I mentioned in another post that I picked up a couple of militarized FTS-4100 fly-away Cs units. These have an option installed that adds an accelerometer to the OCXO; it's supposed to reduce G sensitivity by at least an order of magnitude. John saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Magnus,

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant Hi Brooke, So you

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message 4965e869.4090...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Ericsson created a rack system in which the bottom of the rack was actually forming a closed container with the floor. We had that at one place I worked, except it was two small dogs you

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lux, James P skrev: -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:19 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread WB6BNQ
Lux, James P wrote: When I worked in the special effects business, we used to use these all the time to move heavy stuff around. It actually doesn't require a real flat floor (1 cm grooves aren't a big issue). Think about them as small hovercraft. It also doesn't take much

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, WB6BNQ wb6...@cox.net wrote: Do you have any web sites that show such a contration using leaf blowers ? mythbusters -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too? ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Lux, James P
Google Leaf blower hovercraft and you'll get dozens of useful hits. Here's a real old link: http://amasci.com/amateur/hovercft.html -Original Message- James, Do you have any web sites that show such a contration using leaf blowers ? thanks, BillWB6BNQ

[time-nuts] GPSDO time constant

2009-01-08 Thread Mark Sims
In the world of precision scales you can often beat the many of the manufactures specs by an order of magnitude by adjusting and calibrating the scale in the exact location and orientation where it will be used (and not moving it or afterwards). Some of the adjustments involve moving rather