A few years ago I made a few tweaks to Lady Heather at the request of some
researchers working in Antarctica. I am pretty sure they were working at -90
lat.BTW, Heather can display coordinates in Polar Stereographic Projection
coordinates...
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There may not be a reason for GPS to not work at the poles... but I have seen
GPS receivers that had hiccups at the equator and know of some that had
problems at the poles... seems to be caused by math degenerating at 0 and 90
degrees.
The equator problem manifested itself as a
Hi
Getting back to time …
The “long path” GPS is not going to give you the best time solution in a polar
region.
That plus the wonky tropo and ionosphere models for those regions (partly due to
lack of data and partly due to physics) are also going to degrade your time
solution.
Bottom line
Hi,
The pre-cursor system Timation had polar orbit and worked essentially as
good in the polar area as at the equator. The inclination of orbits was
a compromise for better service while not requiring atomic clocks at the
receiver.
Cheers,
Magnus
On 08/15/2017 06:34 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
I have been watching the thread and there is no reason for GPS not to work
at the poles.
Granted there can be solar events that upset it with things like severe
multi-path but in general if the skies not glowing its most likely just
fine. Also I believe the sats are somewhat low in the sky.
Skips
Hello Time-Nuts,
I can attest that GPS works fine at the poles, though my experience was at
the South Pole. Every year the USGS goes to the South Pole to mark the
geographic pole. Since the ice is moving 10 meters per year at the pole
the pole appears to march across the ice.
One year ('97-'98
Hi
The “degradation at the poles” thing was very well understood in the 1970’s when
they came up with the orbit plan. The questions about performance started being
asked quite early. The earliest answer I recall hearing (in the late 70’s) was
that polar
operations were not a big part of the
Several vessels regularly work the poles and their data is publicly
available. Here's one from the Healy on a cruise that went to 75N ( at
least). I haven't looked at the data to know how much is there, but at a
minimum I should think you could look for gaps in the timestamp.
The satellite orbits only go so far north? If you are far enough north for
that to be a problem, can you pick up the satellites across the pole?
I have several days of NMEA log files from 68 N. I think it will be simple
after I have done it, but it may be a while before I get time to plot
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:19:56 -0700, jimlux wrote:
>On 8/14/17 5:58 PM, Bill Beam wrote:
>> GPS orbit inclination is 50-60deg.
>55 degrees
Current TLE show I= low of 51.7 to I= high of 56.6.
>> At my latitude of 65N satellites are about 15deg above the horizon to the
>> north.
>That would be
On 8/14/17 6:15 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
Hi
If you are at ICBM mid course altitudes, there are a *lot* of sat’s visible ….
(at least compared to being on the ground).
But do you get good VDOP?
I don't know how high the typical ICBM trajectory goes, I assumed it's
fairly low (why burn to get
On 8/14/17 5:58 PM, Bill Beam wrote:
GPS orbit inclination is 50-60deg.
55 degrees
At my latitude of 65N satellites are about 15deg above the horizon to the north.
That would be for satellites that are "over the pole" with respect to you?
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Hi
If you are at ICBM mid course altitudes, there are a *lot* of sat’s visible ….
(at least compared to being on the ground).
Bob
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 9:04 PM, jimlux wrote:
>
> On 8/14/17 5:12 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> At the time all this was figured out, the
On 8/14/17 5:12 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
Hi
At the time all this was figured out, the idea of the military needing nav at
the poles
was pretty far fetched. They accepted a bit of degradation in those regions as
a result
of this thinking.
I don't know about that - I think it was more that it
GPS orbit inclination is 50-60deg.
At my latitude of 65N satellites are about 15deg above the horizon to the north.
Regards.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:45:22 -0700, Hal Murray wrote:
>The satellite orbits only go so far north? If you are far enough north for
>that to be a problem, can you pick up
Hi
At the time all this was figured out, the idea of the military needing nav at
the poles
was pretty far fetched. They accepted a bit of degradation in those regions as
a result
of this thinking.
Bob
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
>
>
> The
On 8/14/17 4:45 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
The satellite orbits only go so far north? If you are far enough north for
that to be a problem, can you pick up the satellites across the pole?
I have several days of NMEA log files from 68 N. I think it will be simple
after I have done it, but it may
The satellite orbits only go so far north? If you are far enough north for
that to be a problem, can you pick up the satellites across the pole?
I have several days of NMEA log files from 68 N. I think it will be simple
after I have done it, but it may be a while before I get time to plot
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