Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-04 Thread cfo
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:33:33 -0700, John Miles wrote: Ahhh ... Thanx now i know why my 1hr Trace Duration was so fast. I assumed that Timelab would set the sampling interval written in Timelab via GPIB. But i'll just select 1sec manually. That can be a bit confusing. The TimeLab drivers

[time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread cfo
I just got a PM6680/016 - Std. Osc + GPIB + 1.3Ghz -Chan.C The best my budget could afford :-) I would like to try out John's Timelab. But only have a Prologix-Ethernet GPIB adapter , no USB version. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that Timelab would work on a PM6680 , using a

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Using GPIB adapters over Ethernet can be difficult as the application software must open the device like TCPIP::your_adapter_IP_address::gpib0::intfc and, of course, accept an IP address somewhere. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: I just got a PM6680/016 - Std.

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/3/12 7:34 AM, cfo wrote: I just got a PM6680/016 - Std. Osc + GPIB + 1.3Ghz -Chan.C The best my budget could afford :-) I would like to try out John's Timelab. But only have a Prologix-Ethernet GPIB adapter , no USB version. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that Timelab would work on

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread cfo
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:34:08 +, cfo wrote: I just got a PM6680/016 - Std. Osc + GPIB + 1.3Ghz -Chan.C The best my budget could afford :-) I would like to try out John's Timelab. But only have a Prologix-Ethernet GPIB adapter , no USB version. I was wondering if anyone can confirm

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
When you start TimeLab, which mode does the PM6680 show? FREQ A or TIME A-B? On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:34:08 +, cfo wrote: I just got a PM6680/016 - Std. Osc + GPIB + 1.3Ghz -Chan.C The best my budget could afford :-) I

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread cfo
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:11:26 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: When you start TimeLab, which mode does the PM6680 show? FREQ A or TIME A-B? It shows Data Type = time interval , i could also select frequency in the drop down box (This is the latest TimeLab - NonBeta). Now have i goofed ? Is time

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread cfo
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:11:26 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: When you start TimeLab, which mode does the PM6680 show? FREQ A or TIME A-B? I have uploaded a screenshot of the settings here http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4171/timelabpm6680.png And the Timelab ADEV here

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Well, let's see: usually the Allan deviation is computed by collecting phase (time error) samples. You have to select time interval in TimeLab and on the PM6680 TIME A-B. If you want to use frequency samples (this is strange for me, never used frequency samples) then you must select frequency in

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, you can ask here about these things. Anyway, the best is to use the TBolt as a reference (not necessarily on the external ref of the counter) and test another oscillator or GPSDO. For example: feed the TBolt PPS to A, the GPSDO_under_test PPS to B and measure the stability of the time

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread cfo
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:08:56 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: Yes, you can ask here about these things. Anyway, the best is to use the TBolt as a reference (not necessarily on the external ref of the counter) and test another oscillator or GPSDO. For example: feed the TBolt PPS to A, the

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
When used as a time interval counter, the PM6680 (as well as other counters) counts the reference oscillator cycles + a residual got from an interpolator. Suppose you have to measure 234nS: with a 100MHz oscillator you count 23 cycles (the 100MHz is 10nS cycle) and then you are left with an

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That works out fine *if* the edges are close to each other. Consider one edge arriving a half second before the other one. Then the reading is off by a nanosecond for each 2 ppb the reference is off frequency. If you have a TCXO as the reference for your counter, you likely will be further

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, you are right: my example was, for this reason, limited to a couple hundred nS. Usually testing PPSes or 10MHz sources leads to very small time intervals so the resolution of the interpolator dominates. For time intervals beyond the nS figures it is better to consider a stable reference.

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread John Miles
Ahhh ... Thanx now i know why my 1hr Trace Duration was so fast. I assumed that Timelab would set the sampling interval written in Timelab via GPIB. But i'll just select 1sec manually. That can be a bit confusing. The TimeLab drivers for GPIB counters don't attempt to program the counter in