Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Tearing the physics package apart and putting it back together again can be a bit of a hassle on the small Rb’s … Bob > On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:00 PM, paul swed wrote: > > Bob > Absolutely lots of ways to die. Such as bad caps, bad variable cap, > resistors that are cooked. I am pretty g

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-21 Thread paul swed
Bob Absolutely lots of ways to die. Such as bad caps, bad variable cap, resistors that are cooked. I am pretty good with all of those and have experienced most of them. But then comes the point of the dirty bulb and it doesn't have to be the blob. Though you will find the blob most likely with

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The heat gun approach assumes that the fault is a blob of metal that is stuck in a bad location in the bulb. Unfortunately there are a lot of different ways these beasts can die. The repair guys who should know always claimed that bulb issues were < 30% of the issues they saw. That was on an

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread Alex Pummer
but there was a description; how to rejuvenate the rubidium bulb by cautiously warning it up, to "remelt " the rubidium 73 Alex On 11/20/2014 7:31 PM, paul swed wrote: I do agree its subjective. But my gut says bad is 2-3V I know they seem to run above 3. But whatever. When the blinkOmeter

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread paul swed
I do agree its subjective. But my gut says bad is 2-3V I know they seem to run above 3. But whatever. When the blinkOmeter counts I am screwed. :-) Time to get the heatgun. Regards Paul. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > I normally keep a watch on the lamp voltage (or wha

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I normally keep a watch on the lamp voltage (or what ever it actually is). I was once told by somebody who should know that you simply watch for it to drop. When it starts going down a couple volts, that’s when you should start looking for a backup. It may run for months after it starts to d

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread paul swed
Unless you have a way to know what they are doing. You won't know if they are failing. The initial sign is that they wink-out and restart. You will spot it as your gear going nuts for a bit and then magically locking up. Also as an approx lamp V in the 2-3V range. Thats really a gross figure I can'

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So far, I have yet to have one of the Rb’s die (of the ones that worked when new to me). The magic “lamp voltage” on the Efratom versions clusters in two groups. That seems to be related to some sort of production change rather than better performance on the (slightly) newer parts. Bob >

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread paul swed
On the old telco RBs $25 they all worked, but were down on lamp life. So the first one chosen ran for 3 years and then started blinking out. Replaced it with another. That first one is the one I used the heat gun on and is again operable with what appears could be good lamp life. (Reasonable) Regar

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 10 Mhz mod interesting document -> older KS boxes

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So far, I have not found any of the Rb’s that came out of the KS boxes with troubles. The ones I got and pulled from boxes myself all have worked fine. The units that got pulled on the other side of an ocean, not so much. There have been a couple of them with issues. What ever they go throug