Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-07-02 Thread Tony Finch
Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote: I seem to remember someone from NPL telling me that they actually increment the each of the last 10 seconds before the epoch by 100mS, rather than putting in one whole second. For which systems? That isn't how MSF works, or the telephone time

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-30 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray [] I don't know how Windows works, but most Linux/Unix systems keep track of time in UTC and convert to local time using the appropriate time zone. = Windows works in the same way - it's in UTC internally and converts for

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-30 Thread Mike S
On 6/29/2012 11:15 PM, Said Jackson wrote: This is one day not to be flying in a commercial airplane when it happens.. Who knows if the gps units crash, if their designers never checked mid-year leapseconds.. ? GPS uses GPS time, which doesn't have leap seconds. And, it's not like this is the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-30 Thread jmfranke
My GPScon program connected to my Z3801A still shows leap second pending. John WA4WDL -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-30 Thread Eric Williams
My nptns server didn't register the leap second. Did I do something wrong? -- eric tick# telnet localhost 123 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. NTPns show leap Source StateUnknown No Insert Delete oncore_0 UTC

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread jim s
I've got a note set for 6/29/2012 @ 5pm PST. Hopefully that is the right time. any way for a challenged one to listen I'm currently grazing for an internet version of wwv to listen to, but recommendations would be great. Thanks for the program pointer, Hal. thanks jim On 6/28/2012 9:37

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread jim s
Should have read this before my closing note. I had read an article somewhere which is wrong, I guess. Jim On 6/28/2012 9:37 PM, Hal Murray wrote: I'm in California, so it happens at a convenient time: 5 PM on Sat. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Hal Murray
j...@jwsss.com said: I've got a note set for 6/29/2012 @ 5pm PST. Hopefully that is the right time. I think you are a day early. If not, I'm setting up to be a day late. (and I hope somebody will say something) That's Friday, the 29th. The leap second doesn't happen until Sat, 30th. I

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Leap second countdown clock: http://www.leapsecond.com/java/nixie.htm It should work on any browser or smartphone. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Mike S
On 6/29/2012 2:46 AM, Hal Murray wrote: That's Friday, the 29th. The leap second doesn't happen until Sat, 30th. I think 23:59:59 UTC is 16:59:59 PST. UTC is 7 hours earlier than PST. For a time-nuts list, there sure seems to be a lot of confusion. He was off a day, you're off an hour.

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread David McGaw
Besides leapsecond.com, online there is also of course NIST/USNO's site http://time.gov and you can listen to WWV at 303-499-7111. If you want to hear it online you could use Skype. David On 6/29/12 2:21 AM, jim s wrote: I've got a note set for 6/29/2012 @ 5pm PST. Hopefully that is the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
There's an old list of how to (and how not to) watch a leap second: http://leapsecond.com/notes/leap-watch.htm The NMEA output of some GPS receivers is fun to watch. Some use a double :59:59 or double :00:00 instead of :59:60 for a positive leap second. /tvb (iPhone4) On Jun 29, 2012, at

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Bill Powell
Does the leapsecond get added just once (GMT time zone) or does it happen in a staggered fashion at the same hh:mm:ss within each timezone? Thanks, Bill On Jun 29, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 6/29/2012 2:46 AM, Hal Murray wrote: That's Friday, the 29th. The

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Bill Powell
I'm guessing it's just added at one instant - to UTC. Regards, Bill On Jun 29, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Bill Powell bill...@bellsouth.net wrote: Does the leapsecond get added just once (GMT time zone) or does it happen in a staggered fashion at the same hh:mm:ss within each timezone? Thanks,

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 01:55:19PM -0400, Bill Powell wrote: Does the leapsecond get added just once (GMT time zone) or does it happen in a staggered fashion at the same hh:mm:ss within each timezone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ4TWChcKpI --msa

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Well, it would be funny to add 1/24th of a second at 00:00 TL in each of the timezones, but I'm afraid that would tear apart the Earth rotation ? Le 29/06/2012 18:06, Bill Powell a écrit : I'm guessing it's just added at one instant - to UTC. Regards, Bill On Jun 29, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Bill

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Rob Kimberley
Of Tom Van Baak (lab) Sent: 29 June 2012 17:39 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming... There's an old list of how to (and how not to) watch a leap second: http://leapsecond.com/notes/leap-watch.htm The NMEA output of some GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Hal Murray
bill...@bellsouth.net said: Does the leapsecond get added just once (GMT time zone) or does it happen in a staggered fashion at the same hh:mm:ss within each timezone? The leap second gets added to UTC. I don't know how Windows works, but most Linux/Unix systems keep track of time in UTC

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Hal Murray
I seem to remember someone from NPL telling me that they actually increment the each of the last 10 seconds before the epoch by 100mS, rather than putting in one whole second. Google has hacked their internal NTP servers to spread the extra second over several hours. That's slow enough so

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Esa Heikkinen
Does the Lady Heather / Thunderbolt show the leap second? It's present in the alarms but can you watch/log the 23:59:60 event with this setup? Regards, -- 73s! Esa OH4KJU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread John Seamons
Even the LHC doesn't trust leap second effects. A slide from Friday morning's status report: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/68809050/2012.06.29-830meeting.pdf; (start-up referring to the recovery from this week's technical stop) ___ time-nuts mailing list

[time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Mark Sims
It should, if you are in UTC mode. Does the Lady Heather / Thunderbolt show the leap second? It's present in the alarms but can you watch/log the 23:59:60 event with this setup? ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Said Jackson
This is one day not to be flying in a commercial airplane when it happens.. Who knows if the gps units crash, if their designers never checked mid-year leapseconds.. Sent From iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 12:45, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: bill...@bellsouth.net said: Does the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Harlan Stenn
GPS units use the GPS timescale, not UTC. See http://leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm But that's planes, etc. The ground-control radar folks use UTC as I recall, and they have dealt with leap seconds enough to know what to expect. -- Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org http://networktimefoundation.org

[time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-28 Thread Hal Murray
Everybody ready for the big event? :) For those of you who weren't here for the last one (or have forgotten)... Markus Kuhn as a nice program that records what happens to your computer's clock over the leap second. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/time/leap/test/timelog.c I'm in California,