Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-18 Thread Dave M
Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Thanks, Chris. I've done a bit or research on the subject, and think I have a reasonable grip on the necessary steps. I have an 8' ground rod driven into the ground directly under the spot where my

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
, October 18, 2014 12:48 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Thanks, Chris. I've done a bit or research on the subject

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/18/14, 2:05 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: FWIW, when grounding the metal mast of a boat, three inch wide copper strap is used because it is a better RF conductor. The strap is available in marine supply stores. It's actually more about being convenient to install, and tradition. If you have a

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-18 Thread Dave M
John Allen wrote: Hello All - There is a 500+ page document on grounding, lightning protection and more - Google for: STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR COMMUNICATION SITES Motorola R56 2005 Regards, John K1AE Great document! Thanks for the link Dave M

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread George Dubovsky
If anyone is interested, I have a few NOS Zap-Tech 30-105 (now called CX-TF apparently) surge suppressors available. These are basically a single shunt gas tube (the coaxial center conductor runs through the center of a custom gas tube), and they were sold as GPS in-line suppressors. I use them at

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Dave, I think we had a similar question recently - and I have been told the PolyPhaser products are gas tubes - I haven't opened one up yet. TESSCO sells these online - you can find them here: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=90143subgroupId=91046 Regards, John W.

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Thanks, Chris. I've done a bit or research on the subject, and think I have a reasonable grip on the necessary steps. I have an 8' ground rod driven into the ground directly under the spot where my antennas mount. #6

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/17/14, 6:26 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Thanks, Chris. I've done a bit or research on the subject, and think I have a reasonable grip on the necessary steps. I have an 8' ground rod driven into the ground directly

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Albertson
You can use metal conduit as the bonding conductor between grounding systems, for one thing. That works fine, but I think it is disallowed by the electrical code. If you used metallic conduit it MUST be grounded but you can't use it for grounding. That said, it does work. I think the

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Martin A Flynn
Dave, We have a 26 dB Lucent (TMG-HR-26NCM) antenna mounted on the gable end of the N2MO station. The feed line (1/2 superflex) runs straight down to a watertight steel box with a Polyphaser GPS protector. The superflex shield is tied to the ground with the standard Andrew kit. Both the

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/17/14, 8:17 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: You can use metal conduit as the bonding conductor between grounding systems, for one thing. That works fine, but I think it is disallowed by the electrical code. If you used metallic conduit it MUST be grounded but you can't use it for

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread John Allen
Hello All - There is a 500+ page document on grounding, lightning protection and more - Google for: STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR COMMUNICATION SITES Motorola R56 2005 Regards, John K1AE ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Some very good information here. I use NFPA codes in my day job. JUST YESTERDAY, I learned that you can read their standards for free. Go to their site, and you'll see a link for free access to any of their standards. You can't save or print, but you can read. You will have to create

[time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Dave M
I'm looking for effective coaxial lightning arrestors for my GPSDO antennas. I've seen several types; those completely enclosed in a one-piece metal enclosure (no replaceable components) and those having a replaceable gas discharge tube seem to predominate the list. I'm looking closely at the

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a number of them on the auction sites. They are fairly specific in terms of frequency band and application. Bob On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: I'm looking for effective coaxial lightning arrestors for my GPSDO antennas. I've seen several

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Albertson
Lightening arrestors are an important part of a protection system but just installing some in the antenna cable is not going to help so much. You need a system approach. If you do it right you can take a direct hit The big problem with grounding is Ohm's Law. That is if any current flows in a

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Dave M
Thanks, Chris. I've done a bit or research on the subject, and think I have a reasonable grip on the necessary steps. I have an 8' ground rod driven into the ground directly under the spot where my antennas mount. #6 solid copper from the rod to a heavy aluminum plate, where the arrestors

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/16/14, 6:27 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Lightening arrestors are an important part of a protection system but just installing some in the antenna cable is not going to help so much. You need a system approach. If you do it right you can take a direct hit The big problem with grounding is

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread Bill Hawkins
Years ago, I visited an installation that used a large triggered spark gap to discharge a large bank of caps at 100 KV into the primary of an air wound (about 8 feet in diameter) 1:10 step up pulse transformer connected to two aluminum plates about 30 feet square separated by several feet of water

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning arrestors for GPSDO antenna

2014-10-16 Thread ed breya
Of all device types, I think gas tubes are the best for this sort of application - very low C, and high surge current rating. I'm picturing the kind that are used in power supplies and such for limiting line transients - about 1 cm dia and length with axial leads. I don't know what kind are