Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-24 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2015-02-24 03:48, Matt wrote: Thanks for all the advice received on and off list. My main doubt was about the quality of cheap receivers but you cleared that doubt. To answer a few questions, the antenna would be put on top of the building on top right corner of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Albertson
The tower could create multipath reflections, and electrical equipment on a roof, such as elevator motors, could add noise. On top of the tower or further away south west would reduce reflections. This might be a very small problem if the goal were nanosecond level timing. But the goal here

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 2/20/2015 4:25 PM, Jim Lux wrote: /For an inexpensive NTP for few hundred dollars to get better than a millisecond end of things, I think the integrated GPS antenna/receiver with a suitable computer right next to it is the way to go. Then you're just running a network cable and power. /

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-21 Thread Chris Albertson
Looks like you need the other half of this unit. It looks like it is designed to use fiber optic cable. You would need to other box to accept the fiber cables, decode the data and interface it to a normal computer port. A good, brand new timing receiver is less then $100. So I'd not want to

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-21 Thread David C. Partridge
Symmetricon swallowed Navstar Systems Ltd. In 1993. So if there were any information available, they would likely have it, but I fear it may be long gone. I did find this reference in the time-nuts archive: http://www.navsync.com/docs/mushroom_data_sheet.pdf Which looks like the same animal

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100 American dollars). I've been overwhelmed by the number of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: So really, it's a matter of finding a place to put your Garmin receiver and string a cable that's not too long to your *nix box running ntp. The place to put your Garmin receiver may not be as simple as it sounds. It needs a good view of the sky. Roof is best, but

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:11:08 +0100 Matt matta...@gmail.com wrote: My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
I think the easiest cable to make really long, if one must be long is the antenna cable. Use 100 meters of the kind of cable they use for cable TV. It comes double shield and has those compression type F connectors. The cable can cary both the GPS signal and power for the amplifier that is

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup On 2/20/15 6:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the easiest cable to make really

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/20/15 6:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the easiest cable to make really long, if one must be long is the antenna cable. Use 100 meters of the kind of cable they use for cable TV. It comes double shield and has those compression type F connectors. The cable can cary both the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
I think you're getting into receivers that are well into the hundreds of dollars range, if bought new. For an inexpensive NTP for few hundred dollars to get better than a millisecond end of things, I think the integrated GPS antenna/receiver with a suitable computer right next to it is the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Tim Shoppa
Not sure how small your University is, Matt. But most telco/networking departments will have an NTP infrastructure already, that may include local GPS clocks. If you look around at the ntp servers on the university LAN and find one or more stratum-1's with millisecond or less delay, you probably

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Peter Torry
I am unsure which country you are in but the UK supplier http://www.galleon.eu.com/computer-time-clock.html has a range of reasonably priced units that may fit your requirements. Regards Peter Torry On 20/02/2015 16:40, Chris Albertson wrote: I think you're getting into receivers that

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup On 2/20/15

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Dave Martindale
Standalone receivers don't have to be expensive. Take a look at the GPS receiver modules at sparkfun.com. They are under $100 (some way under), and some either require or can take an external antenna, and they provide 1 PPS output. Garmin themselves sells receiver boards without integrated

[time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-19 Thread Matt
Hi, My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100 American dollars). I've been overwhelmed by the number of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-19 Thread Chris Albertson
I'll second that. sub-millisend timing using NTP is very easy and not expensive. An old Motorola timing GPS receiver can be bought for about $20 and then all you need in some kind of computer. NTP can run on any existing computer while it does it's normal functions. Getting below a microsecond

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/15 9:11 AM, Matt wrote: Hi, My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100 American dollars). I've been