Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Mar 2016 09:00, "Jay Grizzard" wrote: > > > It get's "interesting" when you look at the MTBF times on hard disks. Some > > of the figures quoted in hours related to an MTBF of over 100 years. From > > what I read before, this was based on you replacing the drive at the end of > > its service

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-30 Thread Jay Grizzard
> It get's "interesting" when you look at the MTBF times on hard disks. Some > of the figures quoted in hours related to an MTBF of over 100 years. From > what I read before, this was based on you replacing the drive at the end of > its service life (typically 3 years for consumer drives and 5 year

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 March 2016 at 00:32, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Yes, the MTBF is a very simplicistic measure and there are a couple > of assumptions in its calculation which do not hold generally (or > rather, it's rather seldom that they hold). It get's "interesting" when you look at the MTBF times on ha

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-28 Thread dlewis6767
It's been a while since I designed aerospace hardware, but seems I remember we had both a calculated AND a demonstrated MTBF. Back then we called it Mil-Std 781. (I am sure it morphed into more modern tests). We had both a pre-production qual-test and a production acceptance-test, both requir

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-28 Thread John Green
We make some thick film, plastic molded , plug in attenuators for the cable TV industry. We have been asked on several occasions to provide MTBF data. Being a small company with limited resources, we have never been able to provide that data. The parts we make will easily outlast the equipment they

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-28 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 28 Mar 2016 01:32:03 +0200 schrieb Attila Kinali : > Yes, the MTBF is a very simplicistic measure and there are a couple > of assumptions in its calculation which do not hold generally (or > rather, it's rather seldom that they hold). Yet it gives a number to > something that is otherwise

[time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Salut Alan, On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:52:00 +0100 "Alan Melia" wrote: > I am out of the business now, well retired, so my opinion carries > little weight, > :-)) but for whatever it does, my thought is that MTBF is a pretty useless > parameter in general. This is a relatively low volume unit man