Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-27 Thread Roberto Barrios
Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: sábado, 25 de febrero de 2012 23:55 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-27 Thread EWKehren
2012 23:55 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle is the correct one. It shows the 10 MHz output and the sub-harmonics related to the 5 MHz crystal oscillator. The other two are a bit broken

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-27 Thread Roberto Barrios
: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Roberto It is called tens of years of experience Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/27/2012 5:16:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rbarri...@msn.com writes: Hi Bob, I wonder what the other oscillators that others are receiving look like in the SA. Replacing all

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-27 Thread Bob Camp
] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle is the correct one. It shows the 10 MHz output and the sub-harmonics related to the 5 MHz crystal oscillator. The other two are a bit broken. One appears to have a stage oscillating. The other is more interesting. It has a stage

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
: Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement     time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Message-ID: 2568f2a2-4de2-4dbc-a711-f93c56c21...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, I have two

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The paper mentions HC-40 crystals. They probably have the crystal drive current cranked down to optimize short term stability at 1 sec and longer. The phase noise floor takes a back seat. The other interesting thing in the paper is that the short term numbers shown aren't into parts in the

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 02/26/2012 05:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The paper mentions HC-40 crystals. They probably have the crystal drive current cranked down to optimize short term stability at 1 sec and longer. The phase noise floor takes a back seat. The other interesting thing in the paper is that the short

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread Tom Knox
Is this the paper you are speaking of? Google: Optimization of Drive-Level in High Stability Low-Noise OCXOs Thomas Knox From: li...@rtty.us Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:20:16 -0500 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The paper mentions HC-40

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread John Miles
The other interesting thing in the paper is that the short term numbers shown aren't into parts in the 13th. The ADEV plot in figure 3 doesn't exactly show the oscillator in its best light. The right side of the 'bathtub' is well beyond 1000 seconds with these parts, if you actually let them

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread John Miles
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:41 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Is this the paper you are speaking of? Google

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2012-02-26 Thread Tom Knox
I wonder how Wenzel looks at drive level, they seem to have their products dialed in. Thomas Knox From: jmi...@pop.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:48:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Most people put the best of the batch in the paper. It is indeed odd that the very experienced authors of the paper did not do so. With low drive a 5 MHz HC-40 should get into parts in the thirteenth over much of the bathtub region. Bob On Feb 26, 2012, at 3:22 PM, John Miles

[time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread Roberto Barrios
Hi all, I spent this evening repairing a MV89A that had a weak output, output cap was bad: http://www.rbarrios.com/projects/MV89A I also found while comparing with other two MV89A's that they show different output spectra, as can be seen. Test conditions were identical but one appears

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The spectrum you show in the middle is the correct one. It shows the 10 MHz output and the sub-harmonics related to the 5 MHz crystal oscillator. The other two are a bit broken. One appears to have a stage oscillating. The other is more interesting. It has a stage oscillating that is

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread John Miles
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread Neville Michie
: -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
, February 25, 2012 2:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle is the correct one. It shows the 10 MHz output and the sub-harmonics related to the 5 MHz crystal oscillator. The other two

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
25, 2012 2:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair Hi The spectrum you show in the middle is the correct one. It shows the 10 MHz output and the sub-harmonics related to the 5 MHz crystal oscillator. The other two

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread John Miles
Are the specs at 5 MHz or at 10? They should be 6 db worse at 10 than at 5. Now that I'm looking back at the data sheet posted with the auction, they were indeed specified at 5 MHz. But even after the 6 dB penalty, their spec limits versus their real-world numbers are pretty marginal. Morion