Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce, Great! Henk On Nov 8, 2007, at 22:11, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Henk ten Pierick wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2007, at 22:43, Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> >> >>> NIST's AC standard is currently useful for generating frequencies >

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Henk ten Pierick wrote: > On Nov 6, 2007, at 22:43, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > > >> NIST's AC standard is currently useful for generating frequencies >> up to >> 100kHz with 10MHz the projected useful limit for a 10Gb/s bit s

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Nov 6, 2007, at 22:43, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > NIST's AC standard is currently useful for generating frequencies > up to > 100kHz with 10MHz the projected useful limit for a 10Gb/s bit stream. > With say a 1Mb/s bit stre

[time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard, a practical implementation

2007-11-06 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Well, it may not qualify as a standard, but I made a small synthesized signal generator tonight using a Silabs Toolstick. It can be calibrated with a DC voltmeter (how about that!), I would assume most anyone on this list has ac

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:41:21 -0500, Didier Juges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There was no reference to a 6 bit scope. First paragraph of the original post: Joe McElvenney wrote: > Hi, > > Excuse the topic but is does push th

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
als. It was not repairable. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Neon John Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard None of that is particularly relevant here because he needs a simple circuit to check the accuracy of a 6 bit ADC in a scope. The RMS value doesn't matter

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I thought the question was: >Anyone know of a simple way of producing an AC voltage standard >suitable for general workshop use without reference to another >one? About one percent would be good enough, wave shape and >frequ

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY The DDS chip is a good idea. That's what they are made for. They still need an external frequency reference though, and unless you use a part with direct frequency entry (which may be high pin-count), you will probably need a

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:52:13 -0500, Didier Juges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The problem with a mercury relay is that the switching delay is significant >and not well controlled, so the duty cycle of the resulting waveform is n

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: > The problem with a mercury relay is that the switching delay is significant > and not well controlled, so the duty cycle of the resulting waveform is not > well controlled, and so would be the RMS value. > > I believe CMOS analog switches would provide better control, and wi

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Hal Murray
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > Anyone know of a simple way of producing an AC voltage standard > suitable for general workshop use without reference to another one? > About one percent would be good enough, wave shape and frequency > accuracy not important

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: > The problem with a mercury relay is that the switching delay is significant > and not well controlled, so the duty cycle of the resulting waveform is not > well controlled, and so would be the RMS value. > > I believe CMOS analog switches would provide better control, and wi

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Didier Juges
The problem with a mercury relay is that the switching delay is significant and not well controlled, so the duty cycle of the resulting waveform is not well controlled, and so would be the RMS value. I believe CMOS analog switches would provide better control, and with series resistance that is

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread WB6BNQ
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY To All, Let me repeat what John De Armond stated. It is most important. A "standard cell," whether saturated or unsaturated, cannot be loaded under any circumstances. Any current draw will upset the cell chemistry and cause

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Pete
Joe, The H-P 435A, 436A, 437A & 438A power meters all have a 50 MHz calibrator source specified to +/-0.7% at 0dBm (+/- 0.35% in votlage). This still requires some traceable calibration, but they tend to be quite close even when past the cal due date. Pete Rawson

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Brooke Clarke
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi John: How does it compare to the Linear LTZ1000? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com http://www.prc68.com/I/WebCam2.shtml 24/7 Sky-Weather-Astronomy Cam Neon John wrote: > ); SAExim

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:27 +, Joe McElvenney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone know of a simple way of producing an AC voltage standard >suitable for general workshop use without reference to another >one? About one perc

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Joe McElvenney wrote: > Hi, > > Excuse the topic but is does push the same buttons as it were. > After calibrating my old HP54502A 6-bit digitizing scope I'm left > with an error I can't quite believe and so am trying to determi

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Didier Juges
-Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe McElvenney > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:57 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard > > Hi, > > Excuse the topic but is does p

[time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Joe McElvenney
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi, Excuse the topic but is does push the same buttons as it were. After calibrating my old HP54502A 6-bit digitizing scope I'm left with an error I can't quite believe and so am trying to determine which of my instruments is t