Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Using GPSDO 10 Mhz as REF signal, I was able to calibrate OCXO. And now its potentiometer position was nether at its both extremes. The reading on 5386a (using 10 sec gate) fluctuate from 9.3M to 10.7M. Again, may be I need to wait much longer when OCXO will be stable. So,

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Dave Martindale
The problem with using a 1 Hz reference when looking at a nominal 10 MHz signal is that you will get a stable scope display with no drift when the input is *any* integer number of cycles/sec. So 10,000,000 Hz will give a stable display, but so will 9,999,999 Hz and 10,000,001 Hz. Unless you know

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi OCXO’s come in many different “flavors”. Some older units with rack mount designs may take 1 day simply to warm up. Older AT based units might take 10 minutes simply to stop pulling maximum power. Stopping the maximum power pull does *not* indicate they are done drifting. Wit an AT drift

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
The problem with using a 1 Hz reference when looking at a nominal 10 MHz signal is that you will get a stable scope display with no drift when the input is *any* integer number of cycles/sec. So 10,000,000 Hz will give a stable display, but so will 9,999,999 Hz and 10,000,001 Hz. Unless you

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
Dave, The trick is to closely synchronize your 1PPS generator, whether you use the 1970's method of a string of seven '7490 decade divider chips (common reset) or a 1900's method of a sync'able MCU divider such as a picDIV (http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/picdiv.htm). It's so simple it's

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-26 Thread Dave Martindale
Yeah, I considered saying that. But if you don't have a TI counter, you need some way of resetting the divide-by-1e7 chain so the two 1 Hz pulses are close enough in time that you can see them on the scope at some reasonably fast sweep rate. Yes, you can used delayed sweep, but how stable is the

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You would need to add another power supply into the 5386 case and rig it to always be on. You would also need to fit the MV89 in there. The MV-89 pulls about 5X more power than the OCXO HP used in similar counters. It’s also roughly 5X the volume. The simple / cheap / high reliability /

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-25 Thread d0ct0r
I tried to use 1PPS as Ext. trigger for the oscilloscope. I was able to stabilize signal movement. Then I tried to calibrate OCXO. However its appeared out of range (I reach end of potentiometer limit but counter still shows that OCXO is out of 10Mhz). Which kind of suspicious. Then I decide

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-25 Thread Hui Zhang
Hi:    I also have a HP5386, it has very limited inside space, I think the MV89 is too big to it, even MV89 is small size in familiar  OCXO, so if I need mor accurate, I used a extend GPSDO for its 10M stand. Hui Zhang BA6IT Sent from my Moto X 已通过我的 Moto X 发送 2015年4月25日 上午11:46于 d0ct0r

[time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-24 Thread d0ct0r
Hello, The input: HP 5386A which I would like to calibrate, Well warmed Tremble Thunderbolt (1PPS only), 10 Mhz Datum OCXO (unknown accuracy), Rigol 1101E Oscilloscope. The goal is to calibrate counter to read the Datum OCXO. === Reading the manual for 5386A,

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-24 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Why not use a T connector to patch the 10 MHz to two places at once? Bob On Friday, April 24, 2015 5:06 PM, d0ct0r t...@patoka.org wrote: Hello, The input: HP 5386A which I would like to calibrate, Well warmed Tremble Thunderbolt (1PPS only), 10 Mhz Datum OCXO (unknown

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-24 Thread d0ct0r
Currently, 10 Mhz output connected to Linear LTC6957-3 to feed DDS and MCU for another purpose. Of course I am able to reconfigure (physically disconnect) it. But I am just curious if its an option to use only 1PPS for calibration. Regards, V.P. On , Bob Albert wrote: Why not use a T

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-24 Thread d0ct0r
Following my request, I am curious about modding of HP 5386A. My unit has TCXO. Is it possible to replace that existed TCXO by third part OCXO ? Like Morion MV89A, for example ? -- WBW, V.P. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Once again about counter calibration

2015-04-24 Thread Brent Gordon
Just feed the PPS into the scope trigger on step 2. The low repetition rate on the PPS would make this difficult on an analog scope; on a digital scope it is easy. You can use any sub-harmonic that is less than or equal the counter reference frequency (10 MHz). Brent On 4/24/2015 3:45 PM,