Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-18 Thread Charles Steinmetz
I mentioned the need to be careful with grounding in mixed-signal circuits. This Analog Devices tutorial is a useful introduction to the subject, for those interested: Grounding Data Converters and Solving the Mystery of AGND and DGND

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:21 PM, d0ct0r t...@patoka.org wrote: Many thanks indeed for detailed answer ! Yes, I will using Evaluation Board for my project. Then it is already done for you. They have added all the bypass caps already on the board. Not much left for you to do. In fact you

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Michael Jensen
-boun...@febo.com] På vegne af d0ct0r Sendt: 16. marts 2014 05:22 Til: time-nuts@febo.com Emne: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854 Many thanks indeed for detailed answer ! Yes, I will using Evaluation Board for my project. Regards, V.P. On 2014-03-16 00:06, Charles Steinmetz wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Tom Knox
-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854 On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:21 PM, d0ct0r t...@patoka.org wrote: Many thanks indeed for detailed answer ! Yes, I will using Evaluation Board for my project. Then it is already done for you. They have added all

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/16/14 8:13 AM, d0ct0r wrote: Thanks ! Looks like I am on the right track. I've attached couple of documents which could be useful. I'am going to use two separated voltage regulators for VCC/AVDD and DVDD. And use 10 Ohm / 100Mhz ferrite board and few capacitors to separate VCC and AVDD.

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Tom Knox
Sorry, I forgot to add the link: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/finesse.html Thomas Knox From: act...@hotmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 09:46:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854 I do not know if this is of interest or would

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread d0ct0r
I would assume that using two voltage regulators will spread the load. For the AD9851 I'am planning to put external radiator glued on top of it. Regards, V.P. those parts dissipate a fair amount of heat, and they're not very big. If you turn on everything in the 9854 AND run it at 300

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Graeme Zimmer
I would assume that using two voltage regulators will spread the load. For the AD9851 I'am planning to put external radiator glued on top of it. One of my commercial projects used eight x AD9852. During development they definitely needed small heat sinks glued on top of each chip. I

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Graeme Zimmer
My versions of a DDS using two AD9910 in Quadrature http://members.wideband.net.au/gzimmer/QuadDDS/default.html regards ... Zm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/16/14 9:34 AM, d0ct0r wrote: I would assume that using two voltage regulators will spread the load. For the AD9851 I'am planning to put external radiator glued on top of it. It's not the power dissipation of the regulators that's the concern, it's the dissipation of the 9854. A

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you use multiple regulators for the same supply and they don’t come up at the same time, odd things can happen. On some chips those odd things include smoke. In most cases where it fails, the more common effect is the internal reset does not work properly and you can’t talk to the chip.

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Graeme Zimmer
Unless it’s already on a board, this is not a simple chip to use in a home environment. Nevertheless, some of us do manage. But it's true, the AD9852/AD9854 does run very hot. It's worth mentioning that the AD9910/AD9912 family runs much cooler. Mine aren't even warm to the touch. This of

[time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread EWKehren
You have not said any thing as to what you expect to get out of the DDS and how important certain parameters are. We recently did a AD 9913 that Tom tested extensively http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/ad9913/ using a single supply for the DDS. Some may take exception but it works for us. The

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854 correction

2014-03-16 Thread EWKehren
Correction I did put pin 4 on the same regulator as the PIC. Had to have one for the PIC so why not use it. Do not know if it made a difference. Bert In a message dated 3/16/2014 3:58:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: You have not said any thing as to what you

[time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-15 Thread d0ct0r
Hello, By design, DDS stones like AD9852 from Analog Devices, required separated power lines for AVDD, DVDD and VCC. What will is simple solution for that ? I am planing to use following approach: +5V from linear PS, then three LC filters, then three 3.3V voltage regulators (Ex.: MC33269T)

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-15 Thread Chris Albertson
I think most people use just one regular and then use bypass caps that are physically close to the power pins. Being really close is likely the most important point. What matters as much or even more is the design of the ground system. The Vcc pins are actually easier to take care of, I think,

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-15 Thread Charles Steinmetz
By design, DDS stones like AD9852 from Analog Devices, required separated power lines for AVDD, DVDD and VCC. What will is simple solution for that ? I am planing to use following approach: +5V from linear PS, then three LC filters, then three 3.3V voltage regulators (Ex.: MC33269T)

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-15 Thread d0ct0r
Many thanks indeed for detailed answer ! Yes, I will using Evaluation Board for my project. Regards, V.P. On 2014-03-16 00:06, Charles Steinmetz wrote: By design, DDS stones like AD9852 from Analog Devices, required separated power lines for AVDD, DVDD and VCC. What will is simple