[time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread Stewart Cobb
A GPSDO typically makes the assumption that the position of its antenna is fixed and well-known. That removes position uncertainty from the navigation equations, and allows all the information from the satellite measurements to be used to improve the time estimate. Errors in this position create

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAPXiX5ricf=Ea0B=c2yr8ix+70srtfj9jeutkguqehh5izb...@mail.gmail.com, Stewart Cobb writes: The next best idea is to locate your antenna on Google Maps. [...] If your GPSDO's self-survey isn't better than the registration of Google Maps, you have different problems. In particular, be

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread Gabs Ricalde
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Stewart Cobb stewart.c...@gmail.com wrote: GPS surveying equipment can easily determine the position of your antenna to within a few centimeters (~20 ps). Unfortunately, such equipment is expensive and difficult to borrow. A high-end GPSDO designed today should

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread Chris Albertson
Google maps is NOT that good, it can be off by a lot, tens of meters. I had to have my property line surveyed some years ago to get a city building permit. So now I have two brass markers at know position. The survey crew used traditional transits from a brass benchmark. Google Earth thinks these

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread mike cook
I have a worse than optimal antenna location for my t-bolt and that just choked on being fed the google earth location which is 7.5 meters away. Le 2 mai 2013 à 14:22, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message CAPXiX5ricf=Ea0B=c2yr8ix+70srtfj9jeutkguqehh5izb...@mail.gmail.com, Stewart Cobb

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread lists
...@febo.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:19:17 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs Google maps is NOT that good, it can

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread Rex
PHK, the big pdf link in your sneak page is broken (gives 404). Can you fix that for us? P.S., while you are there you could change goory' to gory. On 5/2/2013 5:22 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message CAPXiX5ricf=Ea0B=c2yr8ix+70srtfj9jeutkguqehh5izb...@mail.gmail.com, Stewart Cobb

Re: [time-nuts] Precise positions for GPSDOs

2013-05-02 Thread EB4APL
I fully agree with Chris, do not trust Google Earth for any serious technical use, I found errors in 100-200 m range. You only need to check where two images are stitched. Google Earth images are not produced by Google, they get them from other companies or government bodies involved in making