Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler

2014-11-17 Thread Charles Steinmetz
For those who may be curious, I dug out the schematic for my version of the quadrature-driven DBM frequency doubler and posted it to ko4bb.com. It uses a quadrature hybrid coupler to generate +45 and -45 degree signals at 5MHz, buffers them with emitter followers, and applies them to the RF

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-14 Thread xaos
Luciano, I will put this in OrCAD/CADENCE PSPICE over the weekend and see what it looks like. -George On 11/14/2014 02:53 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: George, you can replace the input transformer with the mini-circuits model T2-613-1-KK81 or T662-KK81 for under 2 Dollars. The inductors L1

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
We are using Wenzel with two filters see attached if it will pass. 20 Mhz is down more than 60 db and 5 MHz 55. Distribution Amp takes care of the rest. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/12/2014 8:13:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dgmin...@mediacombb.net writes: Just a few days

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-13 Thread Graham
I would like a copy of the article please. cheers, Graham ve3gtc planoph...@aei.ca On 2014-11-13 00:47, Don Latham wrote: I digitized the first 2011 article to hand, the one in Jan-Feb; it's a smaller article, and not as elegant as the later one. Anyone interested can email me off-list.

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread timeok
Hi all, I can suggest a different solution I have tested to have some important improvement. First, the lower phase shift sensitivity with the use of a low pass filter in conjunction with two notch filters instead the high Q band pass filter, second the unity gain to avoid a 13/20 dB

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread xaos
Luciano, This looks very nice. However, the inductors are custom made. It would be nice to have a off the shelf parts solution so it can be made easily. Any ideas ? -George, N2FGX On 11/13/2014 08:39 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: Hi all, I can suggest a different solution I have tested to have

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-13 Thread Dave Daniel
Is that the A Two Diode Frequency Doubler article by John Pivnichny? DaveD On 11/12/2014 10:47 PM, Don Latham wrote: I digitized the first 2011 article to hand, the one in Jan-Feb; it's a smaller article, and not as elegant as the later one. Anyone interested can email me off-list. You're

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread timeok
George, you can replace the input transformer with the mini-circuits model T2-613-1-KK81 or T662-KK81 for under 2 Dollars. The inductors L1 and L3 are standards value you can find smd or standard on ebay. About L4 you can put in place a standard 4.7uH value increasing the series capacitor for

[time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread John C. Roos via time-nuts
Several list members contacted me expressing interest in the article. None of them were able to download much or anything from the ARRL QEX web site. That includes me and other ARRL members. I am working the issue with one call to ARRL so far today. I will contact Larry Wolfgang at ARRL and see

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Dave M
I am able to download the files associated with the article, but not the article itself. Guess I need to be a paying member to get the article. The only files in the download are the XLS file for calculating the filter values, and the parts list. It's at http://www.arrl.org/qexfiles in the

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Don Latham
It's interesting. I took the hint, and tried sin(a)*sin(b) expand and set b=a+pi/2. fun fun fun. All that's needed in theory is a mixer and a pi/2 phase shifter at 5 MHz. Probably a bunch of other stuff because of real parts :-) Minicircuits will sell you one, packaged, for about 50 rasbucknicks.

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Oz-in-DFW
Only a small subset of QEX articles on available in digital format. This isn't one of them. We'll either need to get a copy from the author, or from a QEX subscriber. On 11/12/2014 2:34 PM, Dave M wrote: I am able to download the files associated with the article, but not the article itself.

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
, November 12, 2014 4:41 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle Only a small subset of QEX articles on available in digital format. This isn't one of them. We'll either need to get a copy from the author

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Dave Daniel
I believe I have a PDF copy of the article if anyone wants it. It's about 1.3 MB in size. DaveD On 11/12/2014 2:36 PM, Don Latham wrote: It's interesting. I took the hint, and tried sin(a)*sin(b) expand and set b=a+pi/2. fun fun fun. All that's needed in theory is a mixer and a pi/2 phase

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Charles Steinmetz
John wrote: It is a cute technique, not originated by me, but useful. Indeed it is. I designed a similar one using a quadrature hybrid splitter and level 7 mixer, and it's almost scary how well it works. It's as cute as a regenerative divide by two using a DBM. Best regards, Charles

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread paul swed
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Oz-in-DFW Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:41 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle Only a small subset of QEX articles on available in digital format. This isn't one

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Alan Melia
: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle I believe I have a PDF copy of the article if anyone wants it. It's about 1.3 MB in size. DaveD On 11/12/2014 2:36 PM, Don Latham wrote: It's interesting. I took the hint, and tried sin(a)*sin

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Dave M
Just a few days ago, I ordered parts to build a couple of the Wenzel 2-diode doublers, described in the same article as your full-wave diode doubler, just in time to discover them on Ebay (via slow boat from China), item# 171511157159. I inspected the components and layout in the picture in

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Jim Sanford
I'm a member, and the article is not there -- just the Excel spreadsheet and a Word document of the parts list. Too bad, I have a handful of 5 MHzx TCXOs. I may have hardcopy of the issue, will have to dig for it. Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 11/12/2014 3:34 PM, Dave M wrote: I am able to download

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread paul swed
Looked it up and pretty amazing. Can't really say how well the ferrite will go down to 5. It should. Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Just a few days ago, I ordered parts to build a couple of the Wenzel 2-diode doublers, described in the same

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Wenzel doubler has a bit of “stuff” in the middle of the bridge. It’s tuned a bit to give it best performance at a specific frequency. It’s not narrowband, but it is not a 2:1 bandwidth. Bob On Nov 12, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Just a few days ago, I

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In the “as wired” configuration, that looks more like a full wave doubler than the full Wenzel tuned multiplier. You may be able to re-wire it for the full circuit. Bob On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:20 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Looked it up and pretty amazing. Can't really say

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread John C. Roos via time-nuts
I mentioned my article because it is a useful technique. The major virtues are that it is analog, thus possibly a lot less noise than an XOR, it is easy, and the fundamental and all of the odd harmonics are well suppressed. I make no claim that it is better or cheaper, or is a prettier color

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Brian wrote: Personally, I'm lazy and like the Wenzel full wave rectifier design with a nice BPF on the output to obtain a clean 10MHz. The advantage of the multiplier circuit is that the signal straight out of the mixer has excellent harmonic and 5MHz suppression. In my circuit with the

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle

2014-11-12 Thread Don Latham
I digitized the first 2011 article to hand, the one in Jan-Feb; it's a smaller article, and not as elegant as the later one. Anyone interested can email me off-list. You're allowed to have a copy for your own use, just can't re-publish. Don Jim Sanford I'm a member, and the article is not there