Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Didier Juges
you can probably cite from the time-nuts archive jim s j...@jwsss.com wrote: On 9/11/2012 10:01 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The SC cut crystal is generally credited to Jack Kusters (of HP) and Errol Ernisse. The story was something like Errol proposed the concept and Jack actually

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/12/2012 01:55 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Useful: I have found other papers on the Kalman filter applied to clock estimation. Thank you, Magnus. You are welcome, I actually just followed through on Rick's hint as I know there is useful info there, and I wanted to show it more clearly. I

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Write a model of the OCXO, use the Kalman filter to generate the steering data so that they are cleaner and drive the DAC more frequently. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 09/12/2012 01:55 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Useful: I have found

[time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Pete Lancashire
Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? The well done Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator doesn't say -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message caa-f0u_nods3pyr384php4-v53qo7cjnmzd0ostapmgo9gw...@mail.gmail.com , Pete Lancashire writes: Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? I think I saw that mentioned in a BSTJ article I read recently. I'm reading them all, end to end, so don't ask me which one... Go here:

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Camp
there... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:00 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] SC Cut Curious who came up with the SC

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread David McGaw
It is credited to Errol EerNisse in 1974 who discovered it mathematically. David On 9/11/12 12:08 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message caa-f0u_nods3pyr384php4-v53qo7cjnmzd0ostapmgo9gw...@mail.gmail.com , Pete Lancashire writes: Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? I think I saw

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Lancashire Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:00 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] SC Cut Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? The well done Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator doesn't say -pete

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread jim s
On 9/11/2012 10:01 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The SC cut crystal is generally credited to Jack Kusters (of HP) and Errol Ernisse. The story was something like Errol proposed the concept and Jack actually made the first one, which was quite non-trivial. Jack used to joke that SC stood

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later with experimental data. I am not aware of any controversy about these two guys being the inventors,

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later with experimental data. I am not aware of any

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Azelio Boriani
Useful: I have found other papers on the Kalman filter applied to clock estimation. Thank you, Magnus. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/11/12 3:58 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
See also: SC-Cut Quartz Oscillator Offers Improved Performance, page 20-29 www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/1981-03.pdf including The SC Cut, a Brief Summary, page 22 Info on Jack Kusters, including a large list of his papers, here:

[time-nuts] SC-cut crystals

2010-11-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear time-nuts, If I want to play around with AT-cut crystals, it is trivial to pick them up. I have bags of 20 MHz AT-cut crystals laying around. I do not feel comfortable like hacking away on the 10811s I have. So, where do I find some SC-cut crystals to play around with? I don't need

Re: [time-nuts] SC-cut crystals

2010-11-12 Thread Scott Newell
So, where do I find some SC-cut crystals to play around with? I don't need stellar performance. Think crude lab-hacks at this point. Any ideas? I got mine from Charles Wenzel. It think it failed his phase noise screening. Really nice guy, BTW. -- newell N5TNL

Re: [time-nuts] SC-cut crystals

2010-11-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: Dear time-nuts, If I want to play around with AT-cut crystals, it is trivial to pick them up. I have bags of 20 MHz AT-cut crystals laying around. I do not feel comfortable like hacking away on the 10811s I have. So, where do I find some SC-cut crystals to play