Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-06 Thread ehydra
It makes senses even for this list! Numbers like 12 and 60 are chosen for their high number of dividers. That is a mathematical reason. Think of in ancient time all was divided in equal integers units. Even the Maya knew it! This is connected to numbers of low n-divide with the ultimate of

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/5/11 7:38 PM, Greg Broburg wrote: The number 6 and derivations thereof were presented to the world of science from the numerologists. Time was arranged as parts of a day, 24 hours 60 minutes per hour 60 seconds per minute. Very tenuous at best. I propose that we consider 100 seconds in a

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/06/2011 03:19 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/5/11 7:38 PM, Greg Broburg wrote: The number 6 and derivations thereof were presented to the world of science from the numerologists. Time was arranged as parts of a day, 24 hours 60 minutes per hour 60 seconds per minute. Very tenuous at best. I

[time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply inconsistent and violates basic // ideas of

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jim: But what you show violates the SI rules, even though it's the correct calculation. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Jim Lux wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread wa1...@att.net
-Brian, WA1ZMS On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread wa1...@att.net
Is that the one that's plotted on Lin-Log paper? -Brian, WA1ZMS On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread cook michael
Le 05/04/2011 17:51, Jim Lux a écrit : On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz =

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Arnold Tibus
I don't understand what is wrong with 'Hz'. As Time in seconds is a SI unit, Frequency is the reciprocal value of time, f=1/T, Frequency is not a SI base unit but a SI coherent derived unit (in the list with special names and symbols as force, pressure, charge, power, resistance etc.). [11th CGPM,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Arnold: The web site contains a lot of unit related computations, see: http://futureboy.us/fsp/frink.fsp and it's author has spent quite a lot of time in understanding units. In school when I learned this it was called dimensional analysis. Here is the section dealing with Hertz:

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/5/11 10:10 AM, wa1...@att.net wrote: Is that the one that's plotted on Lin-Log paper? It is indeed. I have no idea where it originated. From the typography, I'm going to guess it was done in the 60s, but I got a copy of a copy from a field engineer, etc. BTW, if anyone is confused,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz = 1/s = 1 radian/s which is simply

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread ehydra
For me it looks like this guy hates SI system. There are many out there. How cares? The problems arise if systems get mixed up and at least one end of the communication link thinks the other does the same. So left-right screws confusing between UK and Europe, satellites with inch-meters

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d9b5a36@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: I haven't had the brains to follow the rant, but I think the problem doesn't exist any more. Current docs should make it coherent. I think he is fundamentally (ha!) confused.

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
And you are being redundant, by saying SI system which is like saying International System System. Also see PIN number :-) Rick On 4/5/2011 2:22 PM, ehydra wrote: For me it looks like this guy hates SI system. There are many out there. How cares? The problems arise if systems get mixed up

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Greg Broburg
Don't forget LCD Display - Liquid Crystal Display Display Alternative to LED Display - Light Emitting Diode Display Greg On 4/5/2011 4:07 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: And you are being redundant, by saying SI system which is like saying International System System. Also see PIN number

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/06/2011 12:04 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4d9b5a36@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 04/05/2011 05:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: I haven't had the brains to follow the rant, but I think the problem doesn't exist any more. Current docs should make it

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Joseph Gray
You must work for the Department of Redundancy Department. Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Greg Broburg semif...@comcast.net wrote: Don't forget LCD Display - Liquid Crystal Display Display Alternative to LED Display - Light Emitting Diode Display Greg On 4/5/2011 4:07 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Wolfgang
...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. On Tuesday 05 April 2011, Brooke Clarke wrote: // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI,

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Don Latham
I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Wolfgang ...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. On

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Max Robinson
an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems Hi Arnold: The web

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Mike S
At 08:43 PM 4/5/2011, Wolfgang wrote... ...probably somebody who hates SI units for some unknown reason and uses his intelligence to construct a couple of ridiculous arguments supposed to show that this system of units had holes. ...or someone tired of academics creating things which are

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread ehydra
I don't think that SI is the last system we see and that is for the decimal system too. I see small problems like the definiton of mass as units of 1000xgrams and that the k is low but should be K to be consistent (M, G, etc). But to think the american system is better must be a joke. Even the

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Greg Broburg
The number 6 and derivations thereof were presented to the world of science from the numerologists. Time was arranged as parts of a day, 24 hours 60 minutes per hour 60 seconds per minute. Very tenuous at best. I propose that we consider 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and 10

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Mike S
At 09:01 PM 4/5/2011, ehydra wrote... the k is low but should be K to be consistent (M, G, etc). That's historical. All of the original prefixes (from 1795) were lower case. When new ones extended the magnitudes (in 1960), capitalization was necessary to distinguish M(ega) from m(icro). They

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Lux
On Apr 5, 2011, at 17:48, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Oh, those Cassinis At least the English got the Prime Meridian out of the deal ___

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems - no more please

2011-04-05 Thread Said Jackson
Guys, enough already please!! Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2011, at 20:30, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 17:48, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I agree. After all, teh SI system is clearly God's units as revealed by the French... Don Oh, those