Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread NeonJohn
On 09/21/2011 04:57 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: Howsabout HFC-236fa - very similar properties to R114 but not banned. Tektronix used a Freon in their 40 KV High Voltage probes. The Vapor pressure of some of those compounds is low at 70F, but they do have to be sealed. I use several of

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread Jose Camara
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes On 09/21/2011 04:57 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: Howsabout HFC-236fa - very similar properties to R114 but not banned. Tektronix used a Freon in their 40 KV High Voltage probes. The Vapor pressure of some of those

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread Chuck Harris
For those that reflexively will add that butane is explosive in air: There isn't any air in the probe if you let the butane boil for a few seconds, and as long as there is liquid butane in the probe there won't be any air leaking in. However, if there is no liquid, you will need to purge out

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/22/11 10:34 AM, NeonJohn wrote: On 09/21/2011 04:57 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: Howsabout HFC-236fa - very similar properties to R114 but not banned. Tektronix used a Freon in their 40 KV High Voltage probes. The Vapor pressure of some of those compounds is low at 70F, but they do

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread J. Forster
Note that if you change the dielectric in the probe, especially to a liquid, you may no longer be able to compensate it properly. The higher dielectric constant will increase the stray capacitances. Best, -John On 9/22/11 10:34 AM, NeonJohn wrote: On 09/21/2011 04:57

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread NeonJohn
It's going on 10 years now since I last filled a probe. That's the major advantage of butane. It doesn't diffuse out like the freon did. On 09/22/2011 01:53 PM, Jose Camara wrote: John: One big difference is that when most of the butane leaked out and air leaked in, you'd get a very

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread J. Forster
Neither diffuses out. They leak. They could certainly leak at different rates because of differing MWs, but how tight you made the sealing screw is likely far more important. -John == It's going on 10 years now since I last filled a probe. That's the major advantage of butane.

Re: [time-nuts] Tek high voltage probes

2011-09-22 Thread gary
Just a FYI, some claim Ronsonol butane isn't very pure as compared to other brands. Some lighter manufacturers suggest not to use it in their devices. I have no idea what trace substances they object to. Reality? Who knows. Seems most butane comes out of Korea and could simply be