Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-14 Thread Bill Byrom
Here is a project which mixed the Time Kube IF output back to 10 MHz for use as a frequency (not time) standard:http://schematicsforfree.com/archive/file/Oscillators%20and%20Generators/Misc/10Mhz%20Frequency%20Standard%20Using%20Wwv.pdf I believe that the Time Kube uses a 3-transistor mixer / 455

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-08 Thread jimlux
On 12/7/17 1:29 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: So yes, this could be interesting for a hobbyist, but it won't add anything to Science. A MASER is overkill. Heck, so are Rubidium and Caesium. A naked crystal will be rock solid compared to received WWV. OTOH, NTP has marvelous mathematical tricks to

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-08 Thread Hal Murray
martin.burni...@burnicki.net said: > Hm, this file is part of the standard NTP source code package available > here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Main/SoftwareDownloads Argh. Good catch. Thanks. I knew that it came from the ntp package. I thought it was stand alone but it seems to use

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-08 Thread Martin Burnicki
Hal Murray wrote: > > kb...@n1k.org said: >> To get the accuracy into the 1 ms range on WWV, you would need a pretty good >> idea of the path length between you and WWV. > > Dave Mills has a program to compute delays. > > * By default it prints out a summer (F2 average virtual height 350 km)

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > To get the accuracy into the 1 ms range on WWV, you would need a pretty good > idea of the path length between you and WWV. Dave Mills has a program to compute delays. * By default it prints out a summer (F2 average virtual height 350 km) and * winter (F2 average

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Mark Goldberg
I have done some frequency measurement testing of WWV transmissions against a not that great reference. Results are shown on https://sites.google.com/site/perseusmods/home/performance They are pretty awful even compared to a not that great reference. The Ionosphere is not friendly. Mark W7MLG

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Scott McGrath
The timecube radios were simple superheterodyne AM receivers. I suspect the group delay of the timecubes will be small and fairly consistent due to the low component count, Yet because of the low quality components performance variability between units will be quite high. A more

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you happen to pick 5 or 10 MHz as your target frequency, all sorts of interesting things come into play. The first is that any 5 or 10 MHz local standard distribution may well get into your receiver. That can create all sorts of odd effects as the signal fades. Next is that you aren’t

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
One way to compare any WWV receiver to a local standard is to use the PPS output of a standard against the PPS tick modulated on WWV. The tick is five cycles of a one KHz signal derived from the master frequency. See https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-services/wwv-a

Re: [time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread paul swed
Pat Way back in the 90s I measured the color subcarrier frequency of geostationary satellites. That aren't actually stationary. I knew the quality of the subcarriers for a number of the networks since we originated the signals. CBS was Cs others were Rb and still others various Xtals. I had direct

[time-nuts] Test WWV timecube against Cesium, Rubidium, MASER or other precision time (UT-1) metrology

2017-12-07 Thread Patrick Barthelow
Hello Friends, I am picking up locally a couple of vintage analog Radio Shack SW time cube radios, 70s vintage, 3 switchable SW frequencies. Two types, the one pictured and a Radio Shack model also that has WWV and Weather channel VHF frequencies. I am interested in an accurate bench test to