Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 08:16 21-11-11, you wrote: I heard on the BBC the other day that a repeat experiment is planned, firing neurinos from the US into Canada. The labs were not cited, but I expect it would be Fermilab to Sudbury Ontario. If this is the case, then there will still be the problem of not being

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Hal Murray
michael.c...@sfr.fr said: I heard on the BBC the other day that a repeat experiment is planned, firing neurinos from the US into Canada. The labs were not cited, but I expect it would be Fermilab to Sudbury Ontario. If this is the case, then there will still be the problem of not being able

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread mike cook
Le 21/11/2011 09:49, Hal Murray a écrit : michael.c...@sfr.fr said: I heard on the BBC the other day that a repeat experiment is planned, firing neurinos from the US into Canada. The labs were not cited, but I expect it would be Fermilab to Sudbury Ontario. If this is the case, then there

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Neville Michie
Has anyone thought about the fact that verticals converge towards the centre of the earth? The surface distance is greater than the distance at a depth. A map distance is made less, a few hundred metres underground. Just another thought, Cheers, Neville Michie

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Neville, If they haven't thought of that one I'd be very very disappointed. Jim On Monday, 21 November 2011, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone thought about the fact that verticals converge towards the centre of the earth? The surface distance is greater than the distance

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Azelio Boriani
Have you already made calculations? For 200 meters underground I have a path 20 meter shorter... On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone thought about the fact that verticals converge towards the centre of the earth? The surface distance is

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/21/2011 09:49 AM, Hal Murray wrote: michael.c...@sfr.fr said: I heard on the BBC the other day that a repeat experiment is planned, firing neurinos from the US into Canada. The labs were not cited, but I expect it would be Fermilab to Sudbury Ontario. If this is the case, then there

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/21/2011 11:49 AM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Neville, If they haven't thought of that one I'd be very very disappointed. They have. The neutrino path goes as deep as 11,2 km below ground if I recall things correctly. Cheers, Magnus Jim On Monday, 21 November 2011, Neville

[time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Robin Kimberley
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 Thoughts anyone? Rob Kimberley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread J. Forster
They havn't found the systematic error yet? I'd be far more inclined to believe the result if it were confirmed by another lab, using a different methodology. -John = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 Thoughts anyone? Rob Kimberley

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 01cca7b9$09112a50$1b337ef0$@btinternet.com, Robin Kimberley writes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 The most intelligent comment I have heard about it so far, was from Demitrious @ USNO, who said that since Neutrinoes are not of electromagnetic nature,

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/20/2011 08:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message01cca7b9$09112a50$1b337ef0$@btinternet.com, Robin Kimberley writes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 The most intelligent comment I have heard about it so far, was from Demitrious @ USNO, who said that since

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread W2HX
breakthrough. 73 Eugene W2HX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 2:35 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 11/20/2011 8:17 PM, Robin Kimberley wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 Thoughts anyone? Theoreticians are inclined to think in terms of a fourth spatial dimension. This is the current line of thought at CERN. In this perspective, the neutrinos would have traveled

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Mark Spencer
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again... They havn't found the systematic error yet? I'd be far more inclined to believe the result if it were confirmed by another lab, using a different methodology. -John = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4ec95f99.80...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 11/20/2011 08:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: It seems that nature has something to teach us. A whole bunch of new physics have something new to work on. :) One of the really interesting things about neutrions is that

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Alberto di Bene dib...@usa.net wrote: On 11/20/2011 8:17 PM, Robin Kimberley wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 Thoughts anyone? Theoreticians are inclined to think in terms of a fourth spatial dimension. This is the current line

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Justin Pinnix
I'm no physicist, but is it possible that the speed of light is faster than we thought it is? Space isn't a perfect vaccum, and we know neutrinos are less affected by stuff than photons. Maybe they travel closer to c than the actual photons we have been able to measure... On Sunday, November

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Hal Murray
dib...@usa.net said: Theoreticians are inclined to think in terms of a fourth spatial dimension. This is the current line of thought at CERN. In this perspective, the neutrinos would have traveled for a distance shorter than thought, taking a shortcut via the fourth dimension, so to speak...

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 11/20/2011 11:17 PM, Hal Murray wrote: How does that interact with the SuperNova observations? I thought that was a good match for current theories. From what I know of the supernova observations (very little, indeed), in that case there were some assumptions, impossible to verify for

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/20/2011 11:10 PM, Justin Pinnix wrote: I'm no physicist, but is it possible that the speed of light is faster than we thought it is? Space isn't a perfect vaccum, and we know neutrinos are less affected by stuff than photons. Maybe they travel closer to c than the actual photons we have

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Arnold Tibus
Am 20.11.2011 23:50, schrieb Magnus Danielson: On 11/20/2011 11:10 PM, Justin Pinnix wrote: I'm no physicist, but is it possible that the speed of light is faster than we thought it is? Space isn't a perfect vaccum, and we know neutrinos are less affected by stuff than photons. Maybe

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread mike cook
Le 20/11/2011 23:57, Hal Murray a écrit : Perhaps if enough funding can be obtained repeating the measurments between three or more stations (with diferent distances between them but similar equipment at each site) might eleminate some of the ambiguity. Being able to compare the measurements