Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-26 Thread W4wj
Unfortunately cesium passthru went away with the advent of the use of frame synchronizers to receive the network signal and then re-clock it to match the local sync generator phase and frequency. The FCC requirement for the color burst signal (3.579545 MHz) is plus/minus 1 Hz... and you can

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-26 Thread mhuffstutter
Don,   I think you might have dropped a zero there typing, They actually allow us +/- 10 Hz on burst. Best Regards, Mark Unfortunately cesium passthru went away with the advent of the use of frame synchronizers to receive the network signal and then re-clock it to match the local

[time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
Aficionados of accurate time, I have two Panasonic DVD TV recorders, a DMR-EZ27 and 28. They were set to automatically sync time to a TV station. This worked fine until a few months ago. Now they are on manual time, but, of course, they drift. Tried to turn automatic time setting back on this

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Bill, I have no direct knowledge of the situation, but I have noticed that in my area the time signals seem to piggyback on the PBS stations, and in my area many of the PBS stations have ditched their analog signals earlier than the FCC mandate for digital TV. -Chuck Harris Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/25/09 9:52 AM, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote: Aficionados of accurate time, I have two Panasonic DVD TV recorders, a DMR-EZ27 and 28. They were set to automatically sync time to a TV station. This worked fine until a few months ago. Now they are on manual time, but, of course,

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Hal Murray
Why did TV stations stop broadcasting time signals? HDTV requirements? One thing that may be relevant Many years ago, all the TV sources were kept in sync so there wasn't any glitch when they switched feeds. The sync timing was distributed from at atomic clock at network headquarters.

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Richard W. Solomon
didn't have purple hair !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net Sent: May 25, 2009 2:14 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals Why did TV stations stop

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
The NBS published a booklet on constructing a device that could receive the sync signals and provide a reasonable secondary frequency standard. I still have that book around in some box. I should look for it. IIRC, the signal originated from a Cesium standard and was used to sync the color so

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
It appears that the time information is transmitted in line 21 of the analog TV signal. This is the same line that carries Close Captions in an analog signal. It further appears that PBS is the major carrier of these time signals. See :

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Lux, James P
I think you're talking about the VITC, which is on lines 19 and 20 (so you get it on both fields with interlacing). VITC carries hour/minute/second/frame (same as LTC), but I don't know if it's program time (since start of program) or real time). There's a bunch of flavors of vertical interval