Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-20 Thread Hal Murray
cq.k...@gmail.com said: I do not want to spend good money on another oscillicope if I can help it, but I do want to see, or at least be remotely aware of clock slips/walks and other anomalies. I am thinking about building an embedded system to automate monitoring, configuration, and

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Hoffman
Richard, This paper is fascinating to me. I finally understand how the TMDE/Metrology lab to which I continually sent my measurement equipment for calibration was so important. Looking back, I recall something that looked exactly like an FMS rack shown in the paper! It was accompanied by a

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/19/2012 05:48 PM, Chris Hoffman wrote: Richard, This paper is fascinating to me. I finally understand how the TMDE/Metrology lab to which I continually sent my measurement equipment for calibration was so important. Looking back, I recall something that looked exactly like an FMS rack

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Hoffman, KG6O
Ah! The very height of elegance in a good design [imho] : no upgrade needed. -CH On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:40, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 07/19/2012 05:48 PM, Chris Hoffman wrote: Richard, This paper is fascinating to me. I finally understand how the TMDE/Metrology

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-18 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Chris, If you have multiple standards to monitor (or may have in the future) you might consider building a small version of the NIST FMAS board described in http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1950.pdf to keep track of them. Richard What advice does anyone have on building/finding cheap [visual?]

[time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Hoffman, KG6O
What advice does anyone have on building/finding cheap [visual?] comparison devices to display or detect a timing [lesajo?] from my 10MHz sine wave ports? Further, what timing/health metrics could/should I be aware of and/or looking for? I do not want to spend good money on another

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
The first step is: use any dual trace oscilloscope and put on channel 1 the first 10MHz source and on channel 2 the other. Trigger from channel 1 and see if and at what speed (cycles/second) the other channel walks. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Chris Hoffman, KG6O cq.k...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Albertson
Of course the dual trace scope will do this. But the OP asks for something cheaper. I think you can do the same thing as the scope with a mixer. Mix the reference and unknown 10Mhz signals then use a low pass filter. The output is the beat which if everything is perfect is a DC voltage. But

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
, KG6O Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:10 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring What advice does anyone have on building/finding cheap [visual?] comparison devices to display or detect a timing [lesajo?] from my 10MHz sine wave ports? Further, what timing/health

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Hoffman
Mr. Sproul: I really like your solution! Do you mind emailing me code and schematics? Bob, you right: I should be watching slips with a PPS-actuated buffer. For now, I don't have the resources for a ready-made dual-input counter, but the strangest/best things seem to show up at the flea market