[time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Wilson
24/07/2012 13:14 My Racal Dana 9908 can take a 1 Mhz external reference. Inputting my Thunderbolt at 10 MHz works, but shifts the decimal point over. I am not sure if this has any other detrimental effects as to accuracy or other? What's the easiest way to have a 1 MHz reference from the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
Ready made or to be built? Use a divide-by-10 (7490-like) set to divide with 50% duty cycle or divide by 5 then by 2. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote: 24/07/2012 13:14 My Racal Dana 9908 can take a 1 Mhz external reference. Inputting my

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Wilson
Ready made or to be built? Use a divide-by-10 (7490-like) set to divide with 50% duty cycle or divide by 5 then by 2. Thanks for the reply Azelio. Sorry, should have said, ready built, got too many half finished jobs on the go right now. FAR too many according to my wife Will be

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Mine are not handy, so I'm not sure it has 50% output duty, but the Ballantine 6130A Time Mark Generator is a potential candidate. It's not much more than a chain of 7490 dividers fed from a 10MHz source, and has a (non-nut) ovenized oscilltor built in. Even has synchronized multipliers that go

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread J. Forster
A Tektronix DD501 will do divide by 10, or any number from 2 to 9. -John === Mine are not handy, so I'm not sure it has 50% output duty, but the Ballantine 6130A Time Mark Generator is a potential candidate. It's not much more than a chain of 7490 dividers fed from

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Wilson
A Tektronix DD501 will do divide by 10, or any number from 2 to 9. -John Thanks, was hoping for something as a permanent, small and cheap fitting, standalone. Don't really want to tie up my 7233 running something to run something else IYSWIM? Was hoping China Town would have the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Raj
I would do a dead bug construction and insert inside the equipment and mark it 10MHz reference. All your instruments will be sync.! Raj, vu2zap At 24-07-2012, you wrote: Ready made or to be built? Use a divide-by-10 (7490-like) set to divide with 50% duty cycle or divide by 5 then by 2. On

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Unfortunately, the TAPR T2-Mini divider (http://www.tapr.org/kits_t2-mini.html) can't quite get to 1 MHz from 10 MHz with the PIC divider chip due to limitations in the chip architecture. However, nothing says you couldn't dead bug in a decade divider chip in place of the PIC, and let the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread J. Forster
I think the HP 5087 Distribution Amp has a card that will do divide-by-ten. -John == Unfortunately, the TAPR T2-Mini divider (http://www.tapr.org/kits_t2-mini.html) can't quite get to 1 MHz from 10 MHz with the PIC divider chip due to limitations in the chip architecture.

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Adrian
Chris, my vote is for the David Partridge 'time-nuts' frequency divider that was discussed and optimised here in detail some time ago. It divides everything you might need from the 10 MHz input. There are separate outputs for 10 MHz, 5 MHz, 1 MHz, and one that can be configured for 100 kHz /

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Hoffman, KG6O
John, That's interesting to me. What exactly are the actual structural limitations of [that] pic? -CH On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:55, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: Unfortunately, the TAPR T2-Mini divider (http://www.tapr.org/kits_t2-mini.html) can't quite get to 1 MHz from 10 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv wrote: A Tektronix DD501 will do divide by 10, or any number from 2 to 9. -John Thanks, was hoping for something as a permanent, small and cheap fitting, standalone. Don't really want to tie up my 7233 running

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Chris Wilson
Chris, my vote is for the David Partridge 'time-nuts' frequency divider that was discussed and optimised here in detail some time ago. It divides everything you might need from the 10 MHz input. There are separate outputs for 10 MHz, 5 MHz, 1 MHz, and one that can be configured for 100

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Chris, A PIC requires 4 clock cycles per instruction which limits the maximum output rate a PIC can provide as partial instruction times can't be used. With a 10 MHz input each instruction takes 400ns and if duty cycle isn't an issue nop instructions can be added each loop to extend the cycle

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
TVB can give a better answer, but in general the number of clock cycles required per instruction limits the minimum divide ratio. Tom whipped up a special PIC to get the highest possible output rate for a set of tests we were doing, and given the 20 MHz maximum input clock, we got about 800

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With some micros you can play with the PWM outputs to get a bit faster than the instruction cycle would allow. There are always constraints (like binary division) on that as well. Bob On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:21 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: TVB can give a better answer, but in general the

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Dave M
From: Chris Wilson ch...@chriswilson.tv Ready made or to be built? Use a divide-by-10 (7490-like) set to divide with 50% duty cycle or divide by 5 then by 2. Thanks for the reply Azelio. Sorry, should have said, ready built, got too many half finished jobs on the go right now. FAR too many

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread ed breya
I agree - just tack a CMOS or LSTTL decade divider right inside the equipment for now, then provide a fancy divider in your distribution amp if you get around to it. It's funny that entire extra instruments and programming microcontrollers are being discussed to replace a simple fifty year