Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The following paper indicates how to optimise the voltage drops in electrical leads for both cryogenic and other applications: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0508697.pdf Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Neville Michie
On 28/06/2008, at 1:14 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Stainless is trickier to solder than constantan. Welding may be preferable. A hint for soft soldering stainless steel, iron, nickel, chromium, copper, brass, nichrome etc. but not aluminium. Apply a very small amount of phosphoric acid

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Chuck Harris
This is a chicken vs egg sort of problem. When I took apart the oven on my 5065A rubidium, it looked to me as though the enamel insulated nichrome wire developed a short about 50% into the coil, and wiped out the transistor. It also heated the rubidium lamp hot enough to reflow the solder on its

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: The following paper indicates how to optimise the voltage drops in electrical leads for both cryogenic and other applications: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0508697.pdf Bruce Equation 4 in the above reference should be divided by e (electron charge). The extension

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Chuck Harris wrote: This is a chicken vs egg sort of problem. When I took apart the oven on my 5065A rubidium, it looked to me as though the enamel insulated nichrome wire developed a short about 50% into the coil, and wiped out the transistor. It also heated the rubidium lamp hot enough to

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread Chuck Harris
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: This is a chicken vs egg sort of problem. When I took apart the oven on my 5065A rubidium, it looked to me as though the enamel insulated nichrome wire developed a short about 50% into the coil, and wiped out the transistor. It also heated the

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-28 Thread wje
The heater winding for my 5061A crystal oven doesn't seem to be bifilar wound, but it's a little difficult to tell. Since the heater works, I don't want to risk poking around too much. However, one lead comes in at one end, the other lead is at the other end. BTW, my oven failed

[time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread wje
Having just gone through the process of finding, acquiring, and fixing an HP 5061A, here are a few pointers for qualifying one for purchase. The biggest problem you're likely to face is a beam tube that's at end-of-life. If there is an electronics failure (like mine, read on), these clocks are

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread Dave 'SqueezeBox' Carlson
-nuts] cesium clocks.. Having just gone through the process of finding, acquiring, and fixing an HP 5061A, here are a few pointers for qualifying one for purchase. The biggest problem you're likely to face is a beam tube that's at end-of-life. If there is an electronics failure (like mine, read

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread wje
you toss around the 'stupid' when discussing oscillator design. Some folks still have a close relationship to those old 00105-6xxx oscillators. Dave - Original Message - From: wje [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:32 AM Subject: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
wje wrote: Yes, but my comment is rather specific... my oscillator failed because the heater pass transistor shorted. This sent the oven heater into full-on. The overtemp sensor is far removed from the heater. There's a ribbon cable between the driver board and the temp bridge sensor board

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread wje
In this case, the temp thermistor bridge is outside the oven cavity itself. The cable only passes power and the already-processed bridge delta to the heater power amp. So, there's no particular benefit from having the cable stuck to the heater wrap. (at least, I think so; my basic

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
wje wrote: In this case, the temp thermistor bridge is outside the oven cavity itself. The cable only passes power and the already-processed bridge delta to the heater power amp. So, there's no particular benefit from having the cable stuck to the heater wrap. (at least, I think

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread Neville Michie
Hi Bruce, You would have to be careful with your constantin wire as there is a thermocouple junction of 40 microvolts/K at each copper/constantin connection. If the pairs of junctions are kept together thermally all cancels out. Stainless steel is also very non-conductive of heat, but would have

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Neville Michie wrote: Hi Bruce, You would have to be careful with your constantin wire as there is a thermocouple junction of 40 microvolts/K at each copper/constantin connection. If the pairs of junctions are kept together thermally all cancels out. Stainless steel is also very

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-20 Thread Peter Vince
Well... in fact, that's sort of the question I'm asking. if one does search Ebay, what's an effective search term? Leaving aside the $60 Nike Cesiums... Were you aware that you can add terms in the search box preceded by a negative sign to exclude items that match that? ie cesium -nike

[time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread Jim Lux
OK.. if one wanted a cesium reference in one's garage (just because it's something you should have.. that GPSDO depends on outside influences, after all) what's the typical budget for getting one of these beasts used, and where does one find one (Ebay? A time-nuts subscriber in a back alley

[time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Jim, If you're searching Ebay, just make sure you don't accidentally buy a Nike brand of shoe... Jim Palfreyman ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread Jim Lux
Quoting Jim Palfreyman [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Thu 19 Jun 2008 09:27:12 PM PDT: Jim, If you're searching Ebay, just make sure you don't accidentally buy a Nike brand of shoe... Jim Palfreyman Well... in fact, that's sort of the question I'm asking. if one does search Ebay, what's an

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread John Miles
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:44 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement; Jim Palfreyman Cc: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks.. Quoting Jim Palfreyman [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Thu 19 Jun 2008 09:27:12

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe try : : hp (5071a,5061a,5061b) : : ... to start with. : : The 5071as seem more desirable but they're also usually more expensive, and : (the really scary part, true of all of them): how do you tell how

[time-nuts] Cesium Clocks and Relativity (Project GREAT)

2006-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
First a little humor: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-tom/ There is an atomic clock experiment I've wanted to do for years. I assume many of you know that, according to Einstein's special theory of relativity, clocks moving fast run slower. Similarly, according to his general theory