Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-29 Thread Neville Michie
It should not be difficult to measure the temperature of the co-ax, if it uses copper, copper has a very high tempco, about the same as platinum. So you could set up an experiment where you compare phase in the two legs then compare resistance of the two legs. Strain in the legs might be an

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment. Simple

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread iov...@inwind.it
precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost, iov...@inwind.it writes: I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. Please consider: 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest scalp you can aim for in physics. 2. NIST and timing.com showed

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
- Original Message - From: Steven Kluck skluck...@yahoo.com To: Discussion precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread mc235960
Le 28 août 2013 à 12:23, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message 1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost, iov...@inwind.it writes: I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. Please consider: 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest scalp you

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Steven Kluck
It might appear that the Torr-Kolen Experiment, which had similar results to de Witte, had similar temperature compensation and control problems.  I think it would be interesting to run for a year with an east-west coax run, and a separate north-south coax.  And just for fun, record

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/28/13 9:00 AM, Steven Kluck wrote: It might appear that the Torr-Kolen Experiment, which had similar results to de Witte, had similar temperature compensation and control problems. I think it would be interesting to run for a year with an east-west coax run, and a separate north-south

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/28/2013 12:23 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost, iov...@inwind.it writes: I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. Please consider: 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest scalp you can aim for

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 521e52cc.40...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Wouldn't you expect them to have noticed if a Nobel-prize were in reach ? Note, they already have a track-record for Nobel prizes as it is. Like last year for instance. That's why I wouldn't expect them to miss another one

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 8/27/2013 5:25 PM, Steven Kluck wrote: /If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment. Simple and fascinating! Position one clock about 1500 meters to the east of the other, set up a long (temperature controlled) coax cable

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
I wonder if the effects caused by a different distance from the Sun between day and night, and hence a different gravity field were taken into consideration. After all, a greater gravity field causes time to flow slower with respect to absence of gravity. 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto,

[time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Steven Kluck
I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment.  Simple and fascinating!  Position one clock

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
skluck...@yahoo.com To: Discussion precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 27 August 2013 16:25, Steven Kluck skluck...@yahoo.com wrote: I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CANX10hDW7BGH27=N0N8ZSMfUk+a2gT5ir_hv7h=e5kqewtj...@mail.gmail.com, Dr. David Kirkby writes: Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no short term changes of temperature, since the temperature underground is more contant than on the surface of the earth.

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Don Latham
@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread mc235960
Le 27 août 2013 à 20:27, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message CANX10hDW7BGH27=N0N8ZSMfUk+a2gT5ir_hv7h=e5kqewtj...@mail.gmail.com, Dr. David Kirkby writes: Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no short term changes of temperature, since the temperature

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/27/2013 07:39 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Steven, You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information. Being someone with plenty of cesium clocks I looked into his claims in the late 90's. His cables and electronics were not at all temperature compensated. It's a