Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-17 Thread Chris Howard
The picture, if attached, did not come through. Probably it was stripped off by the mailing list software. I did located what I believe you were speaking of. A small white donut placed in the circuit board which was an attachment point for the trimmer and a smaller fixed capacitor and the blue

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Neville Michie
I have had two 10811 with EFC problems that turned out to be lack of soldering of one internal joint. This is a large PTFE ferule with several leads including the varactor and trimmer going into it. For many years the leads all contacted but finally one lead developed an oxide film. A

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Chris Howard
Maybe that is my problem. I definitely have a problem. I am able to get the EFC to work on some occasions. Usually it will work if I run the trimmer all the way out and toggle the power. I can then adjust the trimmer and get things working. But if I give the box a rap the frequency jumps and

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Neville Michie
I have found a pic of the dry joint, this one was just a dry joint with resin insulating the connection, the other never had any solder applied. cheers, Neville Michie On 17/11/2012, at 11:09 AM, Chris Howard wrote: Maybe that is my problem. I definitely have a problem. I am able to

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
You all were right, my targeting of the 50 ohm resistor across the oscillator output does not seem to have solved the problem. A good thing to do, probably, but not the answer. While I was all excited about the resistor change I also mapped out the control voltage (EFC) vs frequency change. I

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread WarrenS
Hold the Up arrow down for 3 sec and put your counter into the 10 sec range. That will give you another digit of resolution. Now the LS Digit will be 1e-10 / count enough to test short term delta stability of many things. ws - Original Message - From: Chris Howard ch...@elfpen.com

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On a normal 10811, you should see at least +/- 1 Hz change. It should go from 10,000,001.xx to 9,999,999.xx. That of course assumes the counter reference is right on frequency. Since it may not be, it's the 2 Hz delta between +5V and -5V you need to spot first. Right now you data shows 0.1

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Graham / KE9H
Chris: This says your EFC circuit is not working, and you are only getting 0.05 Hz frequency change across the -5 to +5 EFC range. The spec on the HP10811 is 1.0 Hz minimum. And, yes, in a counter the EFC circuit is not used, so no one would know if it failed. It is very simple circuit. The

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: If I read this correctly, I'm looking at 9,999,999.97 Hz ? Correct -- the small digit to the right is the exponent. As others have mentioned, by holding the UP arrow key in for about 3 seconds, the 1992 will switch to a 10-second gate and give you one more digit of

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the voltage on the EFC pin of the 10811 (Pin 6) was the same as you measured? Was the EFC return pin (Pin 5) connected to the oscillator supply return

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think I'd try grounding pins 4 and 5…. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Chris Howard ch...@elfpen.com wrote: On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the voltage on the EFC pin

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: According to the documentation I have, pins 2, 4, and 5 are all tied together internally I think you may be correct. My recollection was that it needed to be done at the connector, but I may be mis-remembering. Worth a check, though. If you have Pin 6 ranging from + 5 V to -