Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-13 Thread Simon Marsh
Of course, a collection of distributed, very accurate clocks does already exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System And there was a recent paper using this with a similar approach as you are suggesting, not for gravitational waves, but in the hunt for dark matter:

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-13 Thread folkert
If I understood it well, we should occasionally encounter gravitational waves going through, well, the whole galaxy. As time and space are intertwined, those ripples may be measured somehow I guess. Isn't this that we as time nuts community can help the scientific world with? E.g. create some

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-13 Thread Hal Murray
Conclusion: not feasible. Actually, timing isn't the critical part. Yet. First you have to detect something. If you have only one working detector, timing isn't very important. If your detector doesn't tell you the direction, you can build a phased array antenna by putting several

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: Of course, a collection of distributed, very accurate clocks does already exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System On course we have had distributed clocks for centuries now. They keep getting

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-13 Thread Chuck Harris
I guess I am not getting it... Using relativistic effects on time to sense gravitational changes is like using dynamite to clean barnacles off of a boat... you can do it, but surely there is a better tool? A large part of the dithering about of precision analytical scales is due to gravity

[time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread folkert
Hi, If I understood it well, we should occasionally encounter gravitational waves going through, well, the whole galaxy. As time and space are intertwined, those ripples may be measured somehow I guess. Isn't this that we as time nuts community can help the scientific world with? E.g. create some

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Indeed the time nuts world does intersect very directly with this problem. One of the major drivers for some of the JPL work done back in the 1980’s was to come up with stable enough sources to mount on a deep space probe. The intent was to detect gravity waves. There is always a gotcha, in

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: Hi, ... create some kind of grassroots effort where our very accurate clocks can detect this? To do this you'd need a clockso accurate that it will run at the different speed when you move it from the bottom to the top

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Hal Murray
folk...@vanheusden.com said: Isn't this that we as time nuts community can help the scientific world with? E.g. create some kind of grassroots effort where our very accurate clocks can detect this? Our clocks aren't good enough. It's a very hard problem. Here is the scale:

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Bob Darlington
Well, funny you should mention laser inteferometry. My old company designed the shock mounts for the LIGO gravity wave detector. http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/ So far they haven't seen any signal in the noise. -Bob On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 12/12/2014 10:08 PM, Hal Murray wrote: /Our clocks aren't good enough. It's a very hard problem. Here is the scale: //http://www.ligo-la.caltech.edu// Yes. There are experiments set up in the US, in Italy and in Japan, to detect gravitational waves, funded by various universities. So

[time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Mark Sims
My Mickey Mouse watch was... it detected a gravity anomaly when the strap broke and it hit the garage floor. This apparently caused a complete cessation of temporal flow around the unit, ;-) - Our clocks aren't good enough.

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: Hi, If I understood it well, we should occasionally encounter gravitational waves going through, well, the whole galaxy. As time and space are intertwined, those ripples may be measured somehow I guess. Isn't this that we

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread xaos
When LIGO was announced I read up on it as much as I could. The problems seemed enormous. Bob Darlington mentioned shock mounts. That in itself seemed like a show stopper. Then I think there was some kind of accident. Anyway these guys did finish the LIGO. But unfortunately no space differential

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Folkert, If we had a 'Time Quake' - would we even know? Regards, John W. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: Hi, If I understood it well, we should occasionally encounter gravitational waves going through, well, the whole galaxy. As time and space are

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
If I understood it well, we should occasionally encounter gravitational waves going through, well, the whole galaxy. As time and space are intertwined, those ripples may be measured somehow I guess. Isn't this that we as time nuts community can help the scientific world with? E.g. create some

Re: [time-nuts] gravity, space and time

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
A VERY accuracy clock is actually a good sensor for gravity. This is because the clock's speed changes with strength of the gravity because of Einstein's General Theory. So if you have two very good clocks that are separated if one starts to run faster then we can assume time itself is running