Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2009-04-03 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:01:31 +0200, you wrote: after reading A low noise 100 MHz distribution amplifier for precision metrology by M. Siccardi, S. Römisch, F. W. Walls, and A. De Marchi (NIST), I have implemented a homebrew version of their design. Circuits, simulation measurement data are

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-10-13 Thread hasweb
Gerhard One trick that has been used for fixed frequency isolation amplifiers =20 is to use a low Q series tuned LC circuit to short out the resistor in series with the =20 base at the frequency of interest. Using a suitable ferrite bead instead of the resistor may

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-10-13 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:35:55 +1300, you wrote: One trick that has been used for fixed frequency isolation amplifiers is to use a low Q series tuned LC circuit to short out the resistor in series with the base at the frequency of interest. Yes, but when I burn close to 3 Watts /

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-10-12 Thread dk4xp
I've done a redesign of the distribution amplifier without transformers or other ferrite (apart of dc filters). This required 2 transistor chains in parallel or 96 mA at 24V / Channel. It runs quite hot but looks like it could work from KHz to 600 MHz+. Harmonics are down 40 dB at 250 MHz/13

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/24/2008 08:44:30 PM: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:52:19 +1200, [Gerhard] wrote: [snip] For maximum phase stability the BNC connectors should replaced by threaded connectors such as TNC, SMA , N etc. The next iteration will have to live with BNC because RS smpd,

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:21:49 -0400, you wrote: For maximum phase stability the BNC connectors should replaced by threaded connectors such as TNC, SMA , N etc. The next iteration will have to live with BNC because RS smpd, hp8662A, SNA-33 friends all have BNCs and the holes in the 19 front

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Lux, James P
On 9/26/08 2:36 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:21:49 -0400, you wrote: For maximum phase stability the BNC connectors should replaced by threaded connectors such as TNC, SMA , N etc. The next iteration will have to live with BNC because RS smpd,

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Clark, K3IO wrote: Gerhard -- the discussion between you and Bruce has been very interesting. I asked a VLBI colleague to look over your design and he had this comment. In VLBI, H-Maser frequency standards used to generate local oscillators at microwave frequencies. We

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:08:51 +1200, you wrote: You are likely to find that its only practical to cover the 80-120Mhz region as the NIST and Spectradynamics distribution amplifiers do. The purpose of the heavy bypassing of the bases of the BFG31 transistors is to reduce the low frequency

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard You are likely to find that its only practical to cover the 80-120Mhz region as the NIST and Spectradynamics distribution amplifiers do. The purpose of the heavy bypassing of the bases of the BFG31 transistors is to reduce the low frequency noise at the BFG31 bases, this

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Oops! I meant s12 not s21. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO
Gerhard -- the discussion between you and Bruce has been very interesting. I asked a VLBI colleague to look over your design and he had this comment. In VLBI, H-Maser frequency standards used to generate local oscillators at microwave frequencies. We have problems with amplitude

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gerhard Hoffmann write s: The question is more if the 100r * 100u do anything to de-noise the LED voltage. Close to the carrier probably not. The problem is that you nowhere get exact numbers to base a decision on. Be aware that LED's work both ways: current-light

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gerhard Hoffmann write s: The question is more if the 100r * 100u do anything to de-noise the LED voltage. Close to the carrier probably not. The problem is that you nowhere get exact numbers to base a decision on. Be aware that LED's work both ways: current-light

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gerhard Hoffmann write s: The question is more if the 100r * 100u do anything to de-noise the LED voltage. Close to the carrier probably not. The problem is that you nowhere get exact numbers to base a decision on. Be aware

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Clark, K3IO wrote: Gerhard -- the discussion between you and Bruce has been very interesting. I asked a VLBI colleague to look over your design and he had this comment. In VLBI, H-Maser frequency standards used to generate local oscillators at microwave frequencies. We

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Tom Clark, K3IO wrote: Gerhard -- the discussion between you and Bruce has been very interesting. I asked a VLBI colleague to look over your design and he had this comment. In VLBI, H-Maser frequency standards used to generate local oscillators at

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-24 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:52:19 +1200, you wrote: RF grounding all three electrodes of the BC860 is not good practice. The BC860 will tend to oscillate when you do this unless the ESR of the 100uF base bypass cap is large enough. A standard electrolytic? The ESR is less than stellar, see my

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:52:19 +1200, you wrote: RF grounding all three electrodes of the BC860 is not good practice. The BC860 will tend to oscillate when you do this unless the ESR of the 100uF base bypass cap is large enough. A standard electrolytic? The

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-24 Thread John Miles
It (LTSpice) has some severe limitations for most of the simulations I have done. You might bring those up with Mike Engelhardt (the author). He doesn't miss many tricks. These need to be supplemented with on board filtering as they aren't quite as quiet as you need. Either the NIST style

[time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-21 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Hi all, after reading A low noise 100 MHz distribution amplifier for precision metrology by M. Siccardi, S. Römisch, F. W. Walls, and A. De Marchi (NIST), I have implemented a homebrew version of their design. Circuits, simulation measurement data are contained in:

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Hi all, after reading A low noise 100 MHz distribution amplifier for precision metrology by M. Siccardi, S. Römisch, F. W. Walls, and A. De Marchi (NIST), I have implemented a homebrew version of their design. Circuits, simulation measurement data are contained

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Hi all, after reading A low noise 100 MHz distribution amplifier for precision metrology by M. Siccardi, S. Römisch, F. W. Walls, and A. De Marchi (NIST), I have implemented a homebrew version of their design. Circuits, simulation

Re: [time-nuts] homebrew 13 dBm distribution amplifier based on NIST design 5 to 100 MHz

2008-09-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Hi all, after reading A low noise 100 MHz distribution amplifier for precision metrology by M. Siccardi, S. Römisch, F. W. Walls, and A. De Marchi (NIST), I have implemented a homebrew version of their design. Circuits, simulation measurement data are contained