[time-nuts] Pulling oscillators

2011-03-06 Thread Murray Greenman
Don, You haven't explained how much you want to pull the oscillator, but assuming it's less than 1ppm, what you suggest is quite viable. Replace one of the caps in the Pierce oscillator PI network (preferably the output one) with an NPO one of slightly smaller value and add across it a

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Don Latham
Hello all: I've developed a need for pulling crystal oscillators built in to pll circuits. These are cmos, and have the common style oscillator circuit built in. The crystal is across an inverter in the chip, and there is a small cap between each end of the crystal and ground. The chips are pll's

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread lists
Message- From: Don Latham d...@montana.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 02:06:18 To: time nutstime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators Hello all: I've

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread J. Forster
Capacitively couple a Varactor (or back biased diode) to the circuit and vary the diode bias to tune. -John Hello all: I've developed a need for pulling crystal oscillators built in to pll circuits. These are cmos, and have the common style oscillator circuit built in. The

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread paul swed
I might ask the question how much pulling are you looking to do??? Regards On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:09 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: Capacitively couple a Varactor (or back biased diode) to the circuit and vary the diode bias to tune. -John Hello all: I've

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Rick Karlquist
paul swed wrote: I might ask the question how much pulling are you looking to do??? Regards Yes, your request is meaningless without this number. Having said that, you have 2 strikes against you. Trying to pull an oscillator that wasn't designed to be pulled is a problem. Secondly, the

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Adrian
Don, if you have a reference oscillator of the right frequency, what's the the purpose of trying to pull a CMOS oscillator to the same frequency, rather than just using the reference frequency? Please be more specific on whant your requirements are. Adrian Don Latham schrieb: Hello all:

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Said Jackson
Hi Don, I wrote a design idea about designing that circuit in EDN in 2003. Search google for Jackson Vcxo Not that hard to do if you can add a number of passive components to your pcb. Bye, Said Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2011, at 1:06, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Hello all: I've

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Don Latham
The crystal oscillators are reference oscillators in 2 meter ham radios. I wanted to make the least perturbation in the radio, hence pulling instead of simply introducing the correct reference. I will be using a reference of the nominal frequency the radio should have, so really should not need to

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Rix Seacord
Don If you search the web, someone used inductive coupling to the inductor in the oscillator ckt of a 706. I don't recall if it had the high precision osc in it. they were using the rig for satellite work. good luck Rix Seacord K2AVP eseac...@verizon.net 845-628-0892 914-262-9186 On

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Stan Searing
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:52 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators The crystal oscillators are reference oscillators in 2 meter ham radios. I wanted

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread Don Latham
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators The crystal oscillators are reference oscillators in 2 meter ham radios. I wanted to make the least perturbation in the radio, hence pulling instead of simply introducing the correct reference. I will be using

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread gary
: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:52 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators The crystal oscillators are reference oscillators in 2 meter ham radios. I wanted to make the least perturbation in the radio, hence pulling instead of simply