Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-20 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 7/19/2014 3:45 PM, paul swed wrote: Attilla I did look at some of the documents. But none showed practical HF class injection locking. Say as an example a 6 MHz xtal to a 1 or 2 MHz reference. It maybe as easy as a single transistor in the oscillators ground lead. Paul, everything I seen

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-20 Thread paul swed
Thanks On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Oz-in-DFW li...@ozindfw.net wrote: On 7/19/2014 3:45 PM, paul swed wrote: Attilla I did look at some of the documents. But none showed practical HF class injection locking. Say as an example a 6 MHz xtal to a 1 or 2 MHz reference. It maybe as

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:18:20 +0200 Francesco Messineo francesco.messi...@gmail.com wrote: what would be the best method to try injection locking a butler common base crystal oscillator (see figure in http://www.eska.dk/oscillator_data.htm for schematic)? Any comment about close-in phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread paul swed
Attilla I did look at some of the documents. But none showed practical HF class injection locking. Say as an example a 6 MHz xtal to a 1 or 2 MHz reference. It maybe as easy as a single transistor in the oscillators ground lead. Always on till a brief pulse from the 1 or 2 MHz ref cuts it off. I

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 16:45:14 -0400 paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Attilla I did look at some of the documents. But none showed practical HF class injection locking. Say as an example a 6 MHz xtal to a 1 or 2 MHz reference. It maybe as easy as a single transistor in the oscillators

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread Alexander Pummer
if you have enough buffering -- look for now noise amplifiers, which have low h12 [= backward gain ] a quartz oscillator will not lock so easy On 7/19/2014 5:24 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 16:45:14 -0400 paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Attilla I did look at some

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread Bob Camp
HI As long as you have a really poor crystal oscillator (wide band loop) they are quite easy to lock. If you have a high performance crystal oscillator (high Q / narrow band loop) they are relatively difficult to lock. If you are trying to *guarantee* a lock bandwidth and *guarantee* a level

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-06-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Francesco, Connect the two oscillators to a mixer, which will provide a path into the clock under test and provide a beat note for monitoring. Adjust the EFC and observe the locking width, when the beat note is missing. Cheers, Magnus On 06/24/2014 09:18 PM, Francesco Messineo wrote:

[time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-06-24 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hi all, what would be the best method to try injection locking a butler common base crystal oscillator (see figure in http://www.eska.dk/oscillator_data.htm for schematic)? Any comment about close-in phase noise performance when adding injection locking to such oscillators? Thanks in advance for