Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Danielson writ es: Sony professional Studio Monitors cut back on the range to improve picture quality, and won't do much more than the 810Hz... That is actually _not_ to improve the picture quality on the studio monitor, but to improve it the end product

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 7/4/2006 09:52:33 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Please excuse the fact that this is not what we all consider precise frequency. I am selecting crystals to use for a medium to high volume application. The basic criterion are: - used with a

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread John Day
At 02:48 AM 7/5/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2006 09:52:33 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Please excuse the fact that this is not what we all consider precise frequency. I am selecting crystals to use for a medium to high volume application.

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Ulrich Bangert
von Stan Searing Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Juli 2006 18:53 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Betreff: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators Hello, Please excuse the fact that this is not what we all consider precise frequency. I am selecting

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 7/5/2006 08:30:44 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would agree with you Said, 10ppm is a lot to ask and let's be honest, production trimming is not so difficult these days. Without going to 10ppm you can get your crystal manufacturer to group your

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:12:48 EDT Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi John, Hi, great idea to compensate for temperature using the varicaps in a free-running system. Recall that AT-cut crystals

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Mike Feher
As I recall there is a hysteresis effect on the frequency vs. temperature curve that needs to be compensated for as well. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:25:46 EDT Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Magnus, Hi Said, the trick is to get away without any compensation if possible, since the Varicap diodes, temp sensor etc all

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Hal Murray
Even if you get the crystal adjusted at the factory to say 5ppm, can it be guaranteed that all the other effects combined stay at 45ppm over the lifetime of the product (these days it's about 6-12 months depending on the warranty period)? After initial calibration, the main consideration

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 7/5/2006 13:00:41 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, it is hard. PAL is 4433618.75 +/- 5 Hz or +/- 1.12 ppm. NTSC is 3579545 +/- 10 Hz or +/- 2.79 ppm. That is straight out of ITU-R Rec. BT.470-6. The MPEG transport stream is clocked at 2700 +/-

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:51:43 EDT Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Magnus, Hi Said, yup, that +-810Hz is the number I had in mind on the receiver side. The tighter 3ppm numbers you mentioned

[time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-04 Thread Stan Searing
Hello, Please excuse the fact that this is not what we all consider precise frequency. I am selecting crystals to use for a medium to high volume application. The basic criterion are: - used with a VLSI inverter based oscillator with 3.3 V supply, but somewhat high impedance output. -

Re: [time-nuts] questions on uncompensated crystal oscillators

2006-07-04 Thread Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist
The basic criterion are: - used with a VLSI inverter based oscillator with 3.3 V supply, but somewhat high impedance output. An inverter is not specified for oscillator duty. It cannot be analyzed for this application on SPICE. It will never be a high precision oscillator circuit. (10