Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-16 Thread Max Robinson
Don't touch it. If you do you become responsible, in your neighbor's eyes, for any and all subsequent failures. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. - Original Message - From: ed breya e...@telight.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-15 Thread ed breya
A signal like that coming from a dish makes some sense to me. I vaguely recall from about ten years ago investigating how the satellite receivers work, that a fairly strong control signal of around 20 kHz was used in some to select the various LNBs and their polarizations in more complicated

[time-nuts] Strange Carrier

2014-11-15 Thread Bruce Hunter via time-nuts
Brook's suggestion to shut off your house power is an excellent one; however, your neighbors could be involved, too. A portable transistor radio tuned to the low end of the band where there is no station would make a good electrical noise detector -- assuming the mystery signal has harmonics,

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-15 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Ed: The DISEqC protocol is a low level signal at 22 kHz which would not make the signal being discussed. If it was me I wouldn't look to the neighbor until I was sure it was not coming from my house, hence the shut down the house first approach. It's very difficult to generate any signal

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-15 Thread paul swed
I was thinking of a new alternative we may have not considered. Absolutely near field. The solar panels popping up on the roofs then hitting an inverter sync'ed to 60 Hz X 1000 would be a mighty fine transmitter. I know in our area numbers of homes now have them on the roofs. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Joe, On 11/14/2014 03:56 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Looks like a clock to divide by 1000 and generate 59.99 Hz A computer video card or monitor? Some piece of Video gear? You would have 60/1.001 in that case. This is more 60/1.000124 or so. Someone tries to do 60 kHz but is 125 ppm south. A

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear. Keeping the power supply in sync with the video may / may not be a good idea. Some people do it that way. Bob On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Doug Ronald d...@dougronald.com wrote: I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 0b078d42-2bf0-48ae-a6e6-2399ff308...@n1k.org, Bob Camp writes: Hi It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear. Keeping the power supply in sync with the video may / may not be a good idea. Some people do it that way. Vertical retrace in NTSC ? at a frequency of

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/14/14, 4:28 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The question kind of is: Is it really supposed to be 60kHz and slightly off frequency? Or is it deliberately at that frequency because it's a multiple/submultimple of something useful? It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear.

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
OK everyone. I am sorry I left my 60 Khz transmitter on in Boston. Good to see its getting out to California. The antenna is a 90 foot tower. I figured since the d-psk-r's been a long experiment I would just replace wwvb with a constant phase no modulation Cs driven signal. Why fix the problem?

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Whatever the source for that signal, it may explain why all our wwvb clocks have had receiving troubles over the last weeks syncing up here in NV... Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:10, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: OK everyone. I am sorry I left my 60 Khz transmitter on in

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Max Robinson
with wood group send a blank email to funwithwood-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier Hi

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier Hi It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
OK, its a mystery, and will be until its properties are known. We have instrument capable of measuring those properties, but so far we've had the typical exchange of ignorance so often found on the 'net. Clever ignorance, but still not useful. Is Said Jackson the only other person seeing

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Doug Ronald
... -Doug, W6DSR -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Doug Ronald Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] strange carrier Importance: Low I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am receiving a carrier

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] strange carrier Importance: Low I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am receiving a carrier, 10 dB stronger than WWVB in Sunnyvale, California, quite stable, on the air 24/7 at a frequency of 59.99240 kHz. I have researched on Internet what it might

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Chuck Harris
I'm pretty sure that there is nothing the in the neighbor's satellite receiver that is allowed to interfere with licensed services, such as WWVB. More usually, they contain a label, that says they must not cause any interference, and must suffer all interference. Reduce your loop to something

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
arrived today, so I'm super-anxious to get a decent signal... -Doug, W6DSR -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Doug Ronald Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] strange carrier Importance: Low I'm

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Max Robinson
send a blank email to funwithwood-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier OK, its

[time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-13 Thread Doug Ronald
I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am receiving a carrier, 10 dB stronger than WWVB in Sunnyvale, California, quite stable, on the air 24/7 at a frequency of 59.99240 kHz. I have researched on Internet what it might be, with no results. I have turned off all switch mode power supplies at my

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-13 Thread paul swed
Doug A classical tv anyplace? 4th harmonic of the flyback was a common issue. My best guess and highly doubtful. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Ronald d...@dougronald.com wrote: I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am receiving a carrier, 10 dB stronger than WWVB

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-13 Thread ed breya
Maybe it's leakage from another time-nut's experiment in the neighborhood, or some commercial equipment. There's probably lots of stuff going on in that area. It's not necessarily a broadcast carrier, but just a frequency that happens to be generated somewhere and getting out big enough -

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-13 Thread Don Latham
7.6 Hz is very close to the Schumann resonance fundamental. Don Doug Ronald I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am receiving a carrier, 10 dB stronger than WWVB in Sunnyvale, California, quite stable, on the air 24/7 at a frequency of 59.99240 kHz. I have researched on Internet what it

[time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-13 Thread Joe Leikhim
Looks like a clock to divide by 1000 and generate 59.99 Hz A computer video card or monitor? Some piece of Video gear? A UPS? A solar system power inverter? A generator control panel? -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida jleik...@leikhim.com