[time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Stephen Farthing
Hi everyone, I want to multiply the output from my Efratom 101 (10Mhz) to clock a DDS at 70 Mhz. Has anyone tried this? Regards, Steve G0XAR -- It is vain to do with more that which can be done with less. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread dk4xp
Von: Stephen Farthing squir...@gmail.com Betreff: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal? I want to multiply the output from my Efratom 101 (10Mhz) to clock a DDS at 70 Mhz. Has anyone tried this? I did 5 MHz * 7 = 35 which is about the same, with CMOS gates and

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Chris Albertson
I'm certainly not the expert but can't you place a divide by 7 counter in the feedback loop of a phase lock loop. There is a fast version of the 4046 PPL chip that does 100Mhz and a divide by 7 is easy to rig with TTL. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Stephen Farthing squir...@gmail.com

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Eamon Skelton
On 21/12/10 16:35, Stephen Farthing wrote: Hi everyone, I want to multiply the output from my Efratom 101 (10Mhz) to clock a DDS at 70 Mhz. Has anyone tried this? Regards, Steve G0XAR What is the application? What will the DDS output frequency be? Maybe you could use a 70MHz (or whatever

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I used to be in the synthesizer business (Zeta Labs) in a previous life. I learned to ask the customers: what you are trying to accomplish as the end goal, before tackling a messy problem like multiplying by 7. Maybe you don't need to multiply by 7, but we can't tell from your question. Rick

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Mike Feher
Interesting. When I used to use and build DDSs back in the early 70's, we typically used 2.56 times the maximum required frequency for a clock, to get above Nyquist and allow adequate filtering stop-band rejection. At the time we could not go much higher due to limitations in device speeds,

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Chris Albertson
This might explain a way to do it http://physics.eou.edu/courses/phys345/lab14_pll.pdf What this is doing is simple. It is a 70Mhz voltage controlled oscillator who's frequency is controlled such that every 7th cycle the phase matches your 10MHz reference. The example above does divide by 10 or

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Christophe Huygens
You may want to check out the 10MHz locked 1GHz clock I did (using ADF4107 and a 1GHz Crystek CVCO) http://www.qslnet.de/member/on4iy/1gclock/xlock-1g.html and associated DDS to generate oddbal frequencies. http://www.qslnet.de/member/on4iy/9912.html Includes some PN measurements. Xtof. On

Re: [time-nuts] what is the best way to multiply a 10 Mhz signal?

2010-12-21 Thread Rick Karlquist
Christophe Huygens wrote: I'll bet your DDS will run at 80 MHz at room temp. Since this a one-off project, test it to see if it works to 80 MHz with some design margin. Now you can cascade 3 doublers. The reconstruction filter is now stop 50, pass 30 instead of stop 40 pass 30. That is WAY